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Just like on all Apple and Google OSes, not to mention hardware.

Either you control everything, including hardware, or need to compromise at some level.

I agree. If a company prevents users from having control over their hardware, then it can be trivial for such company to control whatever software the user chooses to install on the computer.

macOS does not in any way prevent you from controlling your hardware, or control what software you install on it.

This is completely wrong. Telemetry on macOS and iOS is opt-in.

Really, how can you ensure that?

I think Apple opts you into the choice. You can easily reset your iphone settings and go see what is checked by default under location services/system services. Why do you think its "completely wrong"?

I don't remember when Apple (or Google) installed something on my machine without my permission.

A Google update to Android a while back (couple years ago) removed the separate email app, which I needed for work (Exchange), without asking and without a replacement. Despite a new Exchange interface being added much later, I lost a lot of faith in Google that day.

Apple's constant update nags make older iOS devices borderline unusable, but acquiescing to the update makes the device completely unusable due to massive lag.

Isn’t Apple forcing High Sierra upgrades? And my phone prompts me to update every day.

No, I'm still stalling on the update as a few friends had some problems with it. Every other week or so it reminds me of the update but I simply ignore that.

Is it? I've got High Sierra available for my machine and i've been ignoring it because Iv'e got stuff to finish. I'll upgrade when I'm ready in a few days or so.

Have you ever used an Android phone?

I use one. Features and programs are very rarely added, unless through OS updates, which usually are very conspicuous.

While Google has deprecated and removed features in major updates, I don't remember a single instance of something that generated a measurable extra workload on my phone was pushed automatically by Google.

Do you remember any such event?

Play Services updates.

Does it slow down your phone?

Some updates have even lead to the play store not working, this is a well known problem.

https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/122918/google-pl...

"Google collects Android users’ locations even when location services are disabled"

https://qz.com/1131515/google-collects-android-users-locatio...

Just a quick example, as I am on the go currently.

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