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In the history of economics and politics, that has never happened. Tumult creates unacceptable carnage, and the solutions fall out of the carnage. Furthermore, we don't always correctly predict the form that carnage will take, so it's not even as if we know what acceptable solutions might be until things are already in freefall.

So although it's a nice sentiment, I'm not so sure it's realistic.

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When textiles automated in England, the carnage included a generation of weavers starving to death.

Consumerism and technology have coincidentally grown to provide a few more generations of employment. But now that's ending.

And sure its not happened in history, because we've never been exactly here before. But we're here now! And there's no sign that solutions will fall out of the sky to fix things. I for one don't want to wait for starvation or revolution.

then don't wait for it - ontario NDP adopted basic income as a platform point, basic income tests are happening in a number of countries. Advocate for it or something else that is attempting to solve that problem.

At the very least, we can push back against the notion that this upheaval is "for the best" simply because it's the outcome of the market. It's Panglossianism at its worst. Sometimes things that benefit capital are bad for the world and for the rest of society. Wealth doesn't trickle down except by political will. That political will can only organize when we, the very fortunate few who have better resources and education than most working class people, begin to give a shit about something other than what is technologically possible or efficient.

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