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For what it's worth, my phone now is a Nokia 6.

I was choosing between that and a Moto G5 Plus in the price bracket. Perhaps the Moto has better features, but the Nokia has a solid steel plate running through its entire body[1].

So, I could have had a better camera and battery on a Moto, or I could get the assurance that if I end up in a Star Wars garbage compactor scenario, I'd have something I could wedge into the damn doors to avoid being crushed completely flat.

I went with the Nokia.

[1] https://youtu.be/0M3Budnl3aI?t=186

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Absolutely can relate to this, as a Nokia user pre-Android era. Nokia 1100 was pretty much indestructible. It was love. It was life.

One of the ex-engineers in my team worked for Nokia in Finland and he spoke abt this Finnish concept of _sisu_ and how big of a deal it was.

I think it badly translates in English to 'unbreakable' or 'full of grit'. And he claimed that that pretty much explained the Finnish engineering ethos: Everything built to last forever.

Ref: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisu

I can confirm this. My oldie is still going strong, I don't even remember just how old the thing is. The chrome has worn off but the phone still works as good as when it was new, and the battery is doing just fine as well.

Nokia has been the timeliest about pushing out updates too, beating Google to the punch by a few weeks for the December Android security patches recently. Realistically, the Nokia 6 will probably have modern Android updates longer than any of the Nexus or Pixel line.

Is this reliable? My choice of next phone wad going to be Pixel due to the importance I place on timely updates.

Has Nokia committed to beating Google on terms of handset support lifetime?

Nokia phones have two years of Android updates guaranteed.

Google is two prior to the Pixel 2. With the Pixel 2 they committed to three.

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/10/4/16403922/g...

And how do you enforce that guarantee? I remember when they guaranteed years of updates for the Lumia 800, and then the Lumia 1020.

If they stop the updates, you can participate in a class-action lawsuit, and get a Nokia ballpoint pen (ink not included) after eleven years.

Microsoft is not good at keeping promises.

Google + HMD Global seems more credible combination.

This was the reason I bought a Nokia and I was very happy already participating on the beta program to get Oreo for my Nokia 5. However the poor support (and by that I mean, none at all and saying that's google's issue when on all my other Android 8 Motorola devices it worked perfectly) of Android Auto made me ditch it.

> my phone now is a Nokia 6.

Same. Absolutely the best value for money phone I have ever had.

The camera on the G5 Plus is terrible, fyi.

Well, there's more one can do with a dual-lens setup -- but good to know. Thanks for making the grass less green on the other side :)

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