Effect of longer-term modest salt reduction on blood pressure (2013)
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This is a lengthy discussion between a health/fitness expert and Gary Taubes, author of “The Case Against Sugar”: https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/podcast/nutrition-podcasts/...
After listening to that and reading some of the linked studies and articles, it seems obvious to me that sugar is orders of magnitude the highest candidate for heart-related disease and obesity. Just my conjecture though, happy to be proven wrong. In the meantime, I'm cutting down heavily on refined sugar and processed carbohydrates. I've never felt better. Same caloric intake, just different sources.
As well, I've adopted the practice of avoiding any eating after 7pm.
These two things combined resulted in me going from the 150s down to the 140s, seemingly only losing fat in the process.
All anecdotal but it has been more than enough to convince me that sugar (despite my deep, deep, deep, love for it) is not good for me.
I often feel very “energy depleted” after eating sugar. Yes, you get the initial push, but that is followed by a drag and mood deterioration, which I can only fight by getting something salty or simply waiting it out
https://examine.com/nutrition/low-fat-vs-low-carb-for-weight...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiUyjMjuLl0&t=674s
I'm wondering if he's still worth listening to..
I'd hardly call him a "health expert" just because he wrote a controversial book about nutrition.
In any case, there is no controversy regarding the role of salt in hypertension. The evidence has been accumulating for a very long time, with numerous studies and meta-analyses. The physiological mechanism by which sodium and potassium control blood pressure is also uncontroversial.
And anyway, just because sugar is bad for you doesn't mean salt is good for you- in the same way that smoking is not good for you just because sugar is bad.
Sodium is interesting in that low or high levels in the body are bad for you. But it would appear that sodium promotes weight loss to a certain degree, the undesirable side-effect being the burning of muscle tissue.
Just don't eat processed food. Also restaurant food uses a ton of salt so tread carefully.
We get our salt and iodine from the natural food itself -- e.g. salmon, seaweed, tuna, pork, potatoes, lemon, milk, and leafy veggies...
The major issue has been of course that eating out or eating pretty much any packaged/premade food is impossible, due to everything having tons of sodium/salt added. For some n=1 blood pressure was not the reason why I had to get on this diet, but my bp went from 145/85 to 105/65 after not that long on it, which really surprised me of course.
The very first study they linked was on something called the DASH diet, which in addition to reduced sodium encourages people to stay away from processed carbs and to favor whole grains.
Basically, I'd want to dig in to the linked studies and get a better sense of how other factors besides sodium could be affecting the outcome. For instance, fast food contains a lot of sodium. To get to lower sodium, you'd probably have to cut down significantly on fast food. You'd drop the sodium, but you'd also be changing a lot of other variables.
Salt makes food taste good. If you're cooking at home, you're probably not going to have to worry about salt unless you have a chronic condition of some sort. It just doesn't compare to the amount of sodium crammed into processed food. I'd rather focus on eating less processed foods, and season my home-cooked meals so they're not terribly bland. The high-order bit is to eat less processed foods.
I feel like this study doesn't really do a good job isolating the actual changes that might have led to the improvements. How was salt intake determined? Was it controlled? Unless I am getting lost in the technical writing it looks like the results were based purely on urine output tests, not inputs.
Blood pressure is important as a marker for a whole host of health issues, but lowering blood pressure via reduced salt intake does not mean that you will reduce the incidence of of health issues that are commonly associated with high blood pressure. One simply does not follow from the other.
Even if high blood pressure is correlated with morbidity, and salt intake is correlated with high blood pressure: it does not even follow that morbidity is correlated with salt intake, let alone the adage about correlation and causation.
It doesn't? I thought it said pretty clearly it will lower the incidence of cardiovascular disease and predicted a reduction in strokes, heart attacks and heart failure.
> Blood pressure is important as a marker for a whole host of health issues
False, blood pressure is far more than a marker. For example: "The incidence of stroke rises progressively with increasing blood pressure levels, particularly systolic blood pressure in individuals >65 years. Treatment of hypertension convincingly decreases the incidence of both ischemic and hemorrhagic strokes."
The study author then goes on to say that, since high blood pressure over an entire lifetime (not 4 weeks!) is associated with cardio vascular diseases, less salt should reduce the incidence of cardio vascular diseases. But that conclusion is a logical leap on the part of the authors. The studies in their meta-analysis did not show that reducing salt intake also reduces cardiovascular diseases. That may seem like a reasonable logical conclusion, but there are about a billion reasons why it might be wrong.
To go bigger picture, there are a lot of problems with nutrition science, but these are three that stand out to me (this study falls prey to numbers 1 and 2):
1. There are too many short term studies.
The problem with short-term studies is obvious: most health issues that we believe are influenced by diet are a long term and develop over a person's entire life.
2. Too much measuring measuring of risk factors, not enough measuring of health outcomes.
Blood pressure and lipids are mostly risk factors for health problems (read that wikipedia article again; blood pressure is mostly mentioned as a risk factor and the only mention of it being important for treatment is for people who are considered hypertensive, which is not the same thing as having high blood pressure). Most nutrition science research is measuring how diet affects these risk factors, not how diet affects actual health outcomes (morbidity). The reason is that it's cheaper and easier to measure risk factors than to measure actual outcomes. But the problem is that the risk factors are not what you actually care about.
If you never measure actual outcomes, then all of your dietary recommendations are based on connecting a whole bunch of knowledge about individual parts of the system that is the human body, but not based on knowledge about how the system works when taken as a whole. It's basically the same problem as unit testing vs. integration testing. Unit tests are great. But at the end of the day, you need to know if the whole thing you made works the way it's supposed to. Only integration tests get you that.
You may not think this is such a big issue, but American diet recommendations since the 60s have been based on such unit-test style knowledge and the results have been a staggering disaster. The incidence of all the diet related diseases have gone up by a huge amount.
3. Most nutritional research is epidemiological.
Epidemiology is a useful tool, but it can fundamentally only tell you whether two things are correlated. But correlation, at best, can only give you negative knowledge about causality. That is, if two things are not correlated, then you know that they don't have a causal relationship. But correlation can never give you positive knowledge, because both things can be caused by a third, unmeasured, factor. Hence, the famous adage:
Correlation != Causation
For a great dive into why you should basically not draw any positive conclusions from epidemiology, there's a great article by Gary Taubes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/16/magazine/16epidemiology-t....
>The current recommendations to reduce salt intake from 9-12 to 5-6 g/d will have a major effect on BP, but are not ideal. A further reduction to 3 g/d will have a greater effect and should become the long term target for population salt intake.
First, this latter recommendation is not tested by the study; second, lower BP is not always optimal, as anyone who's ever experienced a fall resulting from orthostatic hypotension can attest. It isn't obvious, but accidents are among the top 10 causes of death in older people, and falls comprise more than half:
https://www.verywell.com/top-causes-of-death-among-adults-ov...
current levels of approximately 9-12 grams per day
That seems like a lot. I'm pretty sure I don't use so much, even if I like salty food compared with people around me.
I do know that salt comes with a lot of prepared food, but most of it has been considerably reduced. And I don't eat much prepared food anyway.
So if it's a real number, someone must be eating spoonfuls of salt to raise the average :)
Two teaspoons of table salt are roughly 12 grams [1].
[1] http://www.traditionaloven.com/culinary-arts/cooking/table-s...
I was tempted to answer that I eat very little cheese and not much bread, but OK, this was about average and I have low blood pressure anyway.
What I found extrange is that most people I know are much more concerned with salt intake than I am, often lecturing me that I should be using less salt, and then I read that I am using half of what's considered "current levels".
But why should this study be regarded as a definitive basis for public recommendation ("should become") given numerous other studies which do not come to this conclusion?
This review was conducted by Cochrane[2]. Cochrane reviews are widely regarded as the best and most rigorous reviews.
[1] http://www.essentialevidenceplus.com/product/ebm_loe.cfm?sho...
You’re being downvoted for referencing an article making health claims with zero citations. It should also be noted that Ayurvedic medicine is considered a pseudoscience [1], slightly less useless than homeopathy or crystal healing.
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayurveda#Classification_and_...
Ayurveda isn’t quite as bunk as homeopathy or crystal healing, where the fundamental mechanisms are flaws. (Aspirin and penicillin came from natural sources.) But any claims about its efficacy are pseudoscientific.
[1] https://nccih.nih.gov/health/ayurveda/introduction.htm#hed4