Your real tax rate: 40%
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http://www.kotlikoff.net/sites/default/files/Does%20It%20Pay...
and perhaps the most practical bit is here:
The paper provides four main takeaways. First, thanks to the incredible complexity of the U.S. fiscal system, it's essentially impossible for anyone to understand her incentive to work, save, or contribute to retirement acounts absent highly advanced computer technology and software. Second, the U.S. fiscal system provides most households with very strong reasons to limit their labor supply and saving. Third, the system offers very high-income young and middle aged households as well as most older households tremendous opportunities to arbitrage the tax system by contributing to retirement accounts. Fourth, the patterns by age and income of marginal net tax rates on earnings, marginal net tax rates on saving, and tax-arbitrage opportunities can be summarized with one word - bizarre.
Just an odd takeaway, since that's the expressly stated purpose of most retirement accounts. But fair enough.
This isn't very consistent when the social issue that has really driven these polices into existence is trying to convince lower earners to save for retirement so that the state doesn't have a huge outgoing on pensions etc.
http://www.kotlikoff.net/sites/default/files/Comparing%20Ave...
If the article is arguing that everyone pays roughly the same taxes, that would mean we have a de facto flat tax anyway so the incentives should be clear.
> Second, the U.S. fiscal system provides most households with very strong reasons to limit their labor supply and saving.
That would mean unemployment would be low, given the lower labor supply.
> Third, the system offers very high-income young and middle aged households as well as most older households tremendous opportunities to arbitrage the tax system by contributing to retirement accounts.
If one had a crystal ball, yes. Marginal tax rates are at some the lowest in 60 years, so it is entirely possible that they will be higher at the time of retirement withdrawal.
> Fourth, the patterns by age and income of marginal net tax rates on earnings, marginal net tax rates on saving, and tax-arbitrage opportunities can be summarized with one word - bizarre.
Doesn't sound very objective.
thanks to the incredible complexity of the U.S. fiscal system,
it's essentially impossible for anyone to understand her incentive to work
The second line is true regardless if the first. Under what circumstances is $0.3, $0.6 or $.09 worth performing an extra $1 of labor? It depends on how you value your leisure time, whether you have a specific goal for the money in mind, whether your math skills are sufficient to even understand how much extra the $1 will net you, etc. That's not a reason for not simplifying the system, but it is a reason for the first and second argument to be plainly false: households do not, and are often incapable of, reason(ing) based on the fiscal system.So maybe you meant that it's impossible to generalise it to the whole population because everyone has different "goal for the money in mind" and value of "leisure time"?
Why not? If you could (should) be charging $120 then that'd be $60 of future spending.
By over-charge, I meant to say that even though I feel my effort is truly worth $50 after taxes, I don't have to worry about charging $100, because I'm not really over-charging the client since half of $100 is going to taxes. Without taking 50% taxes into account (which is what a lot of people do), asking $100 for something I truly feel is worth only $50 feels like overcharging.
Over-charging new clients is never a personal issue because they can always say no and walk away. But over-charging existing clients can cause you to lose a steady stream of income, especially after you've invested time and effort to establish a relationship and understanding of their needs.
The problem with this approach is, of course, that if you screw up your accounting and get audited, you can come away with some silly high tax bills that can't be discharged by bankruptcy.
From what I can tell the key inflection points in the graph come from four issues.
1.) How much can one contribute to retirement accounts to avoid paying income tax that year?
2.) Where are the key discontinuous cutoff points in the tax system? (social security maxes out, certain payments to the needy disappear, etc)
3.) What is the typical marginal propensity to consume?
4.) How much wealth has one accumulated by a certain age in life, which can be invested, which is only taxed at lower capital gains / dividend rates?
My thoughts on the first are mixed. Yes, we don't pay taxes this year on money we stash into a non-roth 401k, but I hope they aren't doing the bad accounting of treating that as 0% tax... we will eventually pay SOME tax when we withdraw on it, just not this year.
The second point is very valid... there is a magic range around $110-$160K income right now where your marginal tax rate from paying social security is almost 12% lower than the guys making $80K-$110K. In the US, you and your employer each pay 6.2% of your earned income to social security, but it caps at $110K (the rationale being you won't get credit for more than that at retirement, so they won't take more).
The final points are a bit bogus in terms of providing us guidance, but they are more of the author's observations from the data they studied. Poor people consume more as a percentage of their income and hence pay more sales tax each year. Wealthier people buy more, but less as a percentage of their income, so they pay less sales tax, and save more over time which can be turned into investment income.
http://people.bu.edu/kotlikoff/Does%20It%20Pay%20to%20Work%2...
In addition, spending a lot of money and then making it a 'work expense' still requires lots of income. You can't effectively write off your limo charges unless your income at least equals them.
And I don't know how common it is to treat a residence as a work expense. There's a home office tax deduction, but that is a common audit flag.
If you can create $100k of value a year in your own company or earn a salary of $100k (which after taxes nets you only $60k that you can contribute to purchasing assets), it will take you a lot longer to build up the value of your assets. Of course, capital gains distributions from either asset are taxed the same.
Now assume the work for themselves They pay they only need to live off of 40k so they pay themselves 70k and get to invest 30k on advertizing without paying taxes on that value. Note: numbers are not accurate but they do give context. The idea, is companies can invest in future earns though things like advertizing or R&D without paying taxes on the income uses to pay for that advertizing.
Now you are supposed to pay yourselves market rate, but if you generate 300k in value each year you don't need to pay yourself that money.
"The large public sector (30% of the entire workforce on a full-time basis) is financed by the world's highest taxes. A value added tax of 25% is levied on the sale of most goods and services (including groceries). The income tax in Denmark ranges from 42.9% to 63% progressively, levied on 4 out of 10 full-time employees. Such high rates mean that 1,010,000 Danes before the end of 2008 (44% of all full-time employees) will be paying a marginal income tax of 63% and a combined marginal tax of 70.9% resulting warnings from organisations such as the OECD"
Oh and if you want to buy a car you'll be hit with a 180% taxation of your new car on top of the 25% valueadded tax.
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Denmark#Tax_Burden_a...
Though, to be fair on countries like mine (and Denmark) we receive positive externalities from excessive US Defense Force spending, because we don't have to maintain a full sized force due to our treaties with the USA. As a negative, we're compelled to join in on such adventures as Iraq and Afghanistan as a result.
However, many of the smaller nations with similar tax bases and larger social benefits compared to the USA tend to forget about the effective subsidies paid by the US taxpayer for our national defense.
Additionally, there is definitely a component of the US Defense spending that is arguably social policy - even if it is part of the military-industrial complex. It does provide a lot of people with taxpayer-funded positions, and allows otherwise-jobless areas to enjoy employment opportunities with establishment of bases.
I clearly think there is a case for a reduced defense force in the USA - just one or two less Nimitz class carriers could build a lot of public hospitals, for one example, and removing bases from Europe and Japan would be another saving. But I don't think you can have an honest and full comparison with other countries until you start looking at the massive US defense force spending, and it's effects on other countries who effectively get to forgo that same spending.
* http://globaleconstats.com/wp/2009/08/25/the-unemployment-ra...
No that stuff isn't free just because it's paid for by taxes. And because the government has kept growing the government is now running a deficit. It will have to do reforms to avoid growing the debt.
Some think the big government system is great. I don't. But even if you do think it's nice, the problem is that it's not sustainable.
The growth of the economy is projected be the 2nd lowest in OECD only in front of Japan.
Denmark has been a rich country for a while but as the government has grown it has been falling down the list and is now out of the top 10.
Denmark is wealthy and comfortable because it's full of Danes. I bet you Danes in the US are even wealthier and more comfortable than Danes in Denmark.
For instance, Asian Americans have average income of $65,000. Japan, the richest country in Asia, has average income of about $40,000. Japanese Americans also live 2 years longer than Japanese.
Swedish Americans are also considerably richer than Swedes, as I discovered today: http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2010/03/super-economy-in-o...
Like it or not, ethnicity plays a big role in many social measures. The US is very diverse, and certain groups drag our averages down (groups that are very small in Europe and Asia).
Wanna see something really cool? Look at a satellite image of Denmark. It's almost entirely farmland, with little spots of ultra-dense village or city every so often. No suburban wasteland. I'd be 20% happier just for that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_emigration_to_the_Unite...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American#Immigration
In any case, I don't get how you could read either of my factoids and suggest I was pushing genetic determinism. Clearly, some environmental factors are important. For example, living in the US rather than Sweden or Japan seems to cause people to earn 50% more money. Using US health care rather than Japanese health care seems to increase life expectancy by 2 years (no, I don't actually believe this latter point).
But on the other hand, ethnicity does also seem to have some measurable effects. Asian Americans beat whites on most social measures in spite of the head start whites had.
Feel free to call me a racist tea partier if you like.
As far as the Asian American thing, I'm personally partial to social factors there as well. At the risk of being a stereotyping a-hole, there's a lot of Asian Americans in SAT prep classes. Correlation with ethnicity doesn't necessarily mean that asians are genetically predisposed to be better at the SATs.
Really, I just wanted to highlight those satellite pictures of Denmark.
EDIT: Also, RE: the impoverished and hardworking immigrants, I agree, it's not like they were Saudi princes when they came to America, but those who did come were the ones who had the motivation to pull off the journey -- then, now that they've bitten it off, they're obligated to succeed. Still self-selecting to some degree to me.
Denmark manages to have a higher population density than us while still being like 90% farmland. That's efficiency.
1) The cost of living will not be the same; and 2) Income is no measure of quality of life/satisfaction.
As an example, what if average incomes are higher, but so is income inequality? What effect does this have on the society (and the standard of licing of those within it) as a whole?
I also think jbooth has a point in that these are self-selected groups.
http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2010/03/income-distributio...
As you can clearly see from the graph linked to in my previous comment, the bottom 15% or so of Swedish Americans are slightly poorer than Swedes. The top 85% or so are richer. That's the effect of inequality.
As for quality of life/satisfaction - I'll focus on wealth since I don't really know what you mean when you say "quality of life" or "satisfaction" (they are fairly subjective terms).
Re: the effect of inequality: sure, that's the effect on income. But that is obviously not all that matters.
Yes, the things I am referring to are subjective. Yes, they are hard to measure. But this doesn't mean we should just ignore them, and focus on what we can easily measure. Sounds like a recipe for optimising the wrong thing.
For example, it's pretty well accepted that it's better to be high-income in the US than in Sweden, so if you for some reason have a population that is in the upper income levels in the US (due to being white and long-resident, for example) it's not surprising that they would have higher income than in Sweden. As Sweden is a much more redistributive society than the US, the upper income levels in the US are, as a matter of speaking, subsidized by the lower-income levels. And there are a lot more lower income levels in the US than in Sweden.
The conclusion that "The U.S would be even richer and have much less poverty if it was made up entirely of Swedes" is ridiculous. It's equivalent to saying "the US would be even richer if it was made up entirely of the people that make a lot of money", which completely ignores the fact that the US economy depends on low-wage earners to a completely different degree than Sweden does.
I can assure you we are not.
Graduated tax rates plus low-income tax credits equals a flat tax.
I find that difficult to believe, but I'd be greatly amused if it was true.
I wish, WISH, for that kind of coverage here in CA. I've got catastrophic coverage only for like $200/month.
I believe the total tax burden ends up being fairly similar between the US and Canada -- while Canada spends far more (per capita) on social services and health care, the US spends a similarly larger amount on the military.
To check this: find a "gas buddy" site for a place in Canada, then find one for the nearest US city/town close to it (to control for price disparity due to shipping).
Multiply cost per liter by 3.6 to get equivalent US Gallon; then adjust it by current exchange rate.
Example: lowest for Vancouver, BC: http://www.vancouvergasprices.com/ is currently 106.9 per liter ($1.069 CAD) , times 3.6 = $3.85 CAD , about $3.66 per US Gallon in USD.
Closest city on the US side is Bellingham, WA, lowest price there is $2.82, or about US $ 0.80 difference per gallon.
Assuming a fill-up is 12 gallons, that is ~$10 per tank difference.
I think most of the difference is taxes -- unlike pretty much everything else, advertised gasoline prices include federal and provincial sales taxes. In Vancouver they also include a carbon tax (currently $0.048/L) and an additional fuel tax to fund mass transit (currently $0.12/L).
There's an odd effect where a high-price area spills over into the neighbo(u)ring areas. I haven't quite figured out an explanation.
Price gouging.
Sure would love me some $3 gas.
Isn't a marginal rate by definition the rate which applies to earnings above a specific benchmark (thereby providing no disincentive to cross it)?
One thing throwing off his numbers is that he assumes all income to be ordinary income, whereas a large proportion of Americans' income, especially at the high end, get classified as capital gains or qualified dividends, which are taxed at lower rates. I believe Warren Buffett calculated that his real tax rate was 18%, for example.
Warren really like to talk that crap up about how he pays less taxes than his secretary. To me his secretary just needs a better tax guy.
PS: Relative to his income his sales and property taxes are well under 0.1%.
So this tells us little about the rate that each person already paid for the amount below the margin, the "body" of earnings, if you will.
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think that the idea of a flat marginal rate is a good thing: that means there's little disincentive to produce more. I would have thought that a flat marginal rate with a curved "body" rate would be darned near impossible to implement, but this makes it sound like that's been fairly successful.
Of course, the fact that the marginal rate is 40% is a very bad thing. The government should not make up a plurality of our spending.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorem_of_calculus
I'm not sure that these exceptions are sufficient to allow it to work out, but I'm pretty sure that this rule isn't the impediment.
The numbers cited in the article are based on a wide collection of parameters/assumptions, but that is ignored in the summary.
Interestingly, the paper on which the article is based was directly supported by fairtax.org- an organization solely dedicated to a drastic restructuring of the tax system.
The all in tax burden at different levels of income is a very interesting concept to explore. But here it seems like both the journalist and the paper's authors have addressed the issue with a bias which takes away from what could otherwise be a very interesting subject.
??? Where is the savings? The IRS is a tiny fraction of US government spending.
Edit: IRS $12.15 billion in 2010, total federal expenditures $3.552 trillion. So it's 1/3 of 1% of the federal budget.
PS: I could see a simplified tax code saving people 20 billion a year, but good luck implementing that.
Edit: For example, CC transaction fees cost more than current transition costs, so a sales tax would have higher compliance costs.
The US military is about 6% of Federal spending and didn't jump significantly during Iraq.
For example, Iraq cost about $1T over 8 years. At least one of the stimulus cost about that, and we've had several since 2007.
The long term trend for US military spending is down. It was over 20% before Vietnam.
Defense-related expenditures outside of the Department of Defense constitute between $216 billion and $361 billion in additional spending, bringing the total for defense spending to between $880 billion and $1.03 trillion in fiscal year 2010.[6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_S...
PS: The range of costs depends on what and when you consider something military spending. Do you count future pensions under current spending or do you count current pensions? etc.
Interest on debt for past wars isn't something that can be cut.
"State Department financing of foreign arms sales" is diplomacy, not military spending. (It may be dumb diplomacy, but it's diplomacy.)
And your military-affairs expertise is derived from ... ?
I recommend poking around the Quadrennial Defense Review site to get a primer on the major issues. It's a report the DOD does every four years to evaluate its priorities and capabilities, explain its budget, etc. There are lots of executive reviews, intelligent and opinionated commentaries, that sort of thing. http://www.defense.gov/qdr/
One of the QDR review panels talked about current issues in defense. It's not authoritative direction, but it does give a taste of how the military is about more than just competing with the next peer. Here's what they had to say about its goals:
1. America has for most of the last century pursued
four enduring security interests:
a. The defense of the American homeland
b. Assured access to the sea, air, space, and
cyberspace
c. The preservation of a favorable balance of power
across Eurasia that prevents authoritarian domination
of that region
d. Providing for the global ―common good through
such actions as humanitarian aid, development
assistance, and disaster relief.
2. Five key global trends face the nation as it seeks
to sustain its role as the leader of an international
system that protects the interests outlined above:
a. Radical Islamist extremism and the threat of
terrorism
b. The rise of new global great powers in Asia
c. Continued struggle for power in the Persian Gulf
and the greater Middle East
d. An accelerating global competition for resources
e. Persistent problems from failed and failing states.
3. These five key global trends have framed a range of
choices for the United States:
a. These trends are likely to place an increased
demand on American "hard power" to preserve regional
balances; while diplomacy and development have
important roles to play, the world‘s first-order
concerns will continue to be security concerns.
b. The various tools of "smart power" – diplomacy,
engagement, trade, targeted communications about
American ideals and intentions, development of
grassroots political and economic institutions –
will be increasingly necessary to protect America‘s
national interests.
c. Today‘s world offers unique opportunities for
international cooperation, but the United States needs
to guide continued adaptation of existing international
institutions and alliances and to support development of
new institutions appropriate to the demands of the 21st
century. This will not happen without global confidence
in American leadership, its political, economic, and
military strength, and steadfast national purpose.
d. Finally, America cannot abandon a leadership role in
support of its national interests. To do so will simply
lead to an increasingly unstable and unfriendly global
climate and eventually to conflicts America cannot
ignore, which we must then prosecute with limited
choices under unfavorable circumstances -- and with
stakes that are higher than anyone would like.
It's not a question of just saying, "Do the same job with less." The military we have exists to do certain jobs and there are a lot of very smart people interested in doing those jobs very efficiently. No, if you want a cheaper military, you need to do less. You need to start picking goals to give up. If you really wanted to pare the military down to just homeland defense, you probably could do that job with a lot less, but you wouldn't be able to render humanitarian aid or make the world a safer place for everyone (us included).Here's another example of a policy goal not directly related to homeland defense or beating someone else's military (This from the Nuclear Posture report):
Toward a World Free of Nuclear Weapons
The long-term goal of U.S. policy is the complete
elimination of nuclear weapons. At this point,
it is not clear when this goal can be achieved.
Pursuing these NPR recommendations will strengthen
the security of the United States and its allies and
partners and bring us significant steps closer to
the President’s vision of a world without nuclear
weapons.
The conditions that would ultimately permit the
United States and others to give up their nuclear
weapons without risking greater international
instability and insecurity are very demanding.
Among those are the resolution of regional disputes
that can motivate rival states to acquire and
maintain nuclear weapons, success in halting the
proliferation of nuclear weapons, much greater
transparency into the programs and capabilities of
key countries of concern, verification methods
and technologies capable of detecting violations of
disarmament obligations, and enforcement measures
strong and credible enough to deter such violations.
Clearly, such conditions do not exist today. But we
can – and must – work actively to create those
conditions.
Applying effort toward achieving those goals may require a larger or smarter (more expensive) military. We do it, not because we want to beat China, but because it's something we want to do and think is worth the cost.Make it automatic and flat, and we ALL get to go back to work. Much larger savings that the total IRS budget.
Second, there's the practical matter of people/business who operate on extremely thin profit margins and if you could even practically tax them.
I think in reality a flat tax has great benefits to the wealthy but gets progressively more burdensome as you get poorer. After all, the more money you have, the more money you can make, thus making the "flat tax" exacerbate the gap between rich and poor.
A flat tax could be modified by a minimum income, age exception etc. But the trick is to make the calculation dead simple, and unavoidable. So thousands of smart people turn their attention to something else, like creating real value for instance.
You're kidding right? Replacing income tax with a national sales tax would immediately create a massive black market that didn't exist.
Its always humorous to me when people claim that a national sales tax would allow the IRS to be done away with. Uh, think it through. the sales tax would need to be around 25% to replace our income taxes. So you don't think people would be trying to dodge that? And the IRS wouldn't be going around checking retailers to make sure they were paying the tax? LOL...you think the IRS is intrusive now, wait until they are trying to track EVERY SINGLE TRANSACTION. Now there's some big government for you!
I am a fan, but even if you are not, the analysis of the situation in the papers at fairtax.org is quite robust and worth reading.
We (no matter the country) could save billions in administrative costs simply by moving all tax to point of sale style VATs. (As a sidenote this does not mean that something like the FairTax proposal is a good example of this concept.)
FairTax, in my personal opinion isn't the best example of where to draw these lines. It is rightly criticized for that, but that says nothing about the fact that overall, taxing consumption is a better idea than taxing income - a move that was largely bred from the need to fund a massive increase in government spending.
A tax that allows for funding of government programs, encourages the creation of wealth and the growth of personal income and discourages rampant consumerism (as in buying things you can't afford - and having prices bubble accordingly) is a much "fairer" system in my books.
I discount a lot of the notions of this type of system being inherently regressive because that argument insinuates that the current system is not. I believe Mr. Buffet quite aptly supported this assertion with real numbers a few years back.
For much of the lower/middle class, a significant, sometimes 100% of their income goes to consumption. For the wealthy, consumption as percent of income can be very small.
The current system is regressive in practice, though not in theory. If this wasn't the case, Buffet wouldn't be paying 17%.
Spending 100%+ of your income on consumption can be the norm for lower income earners, it is true. That does not extend however into 100%+ of income spent on consumption that is required for basic sustainability, especially in rich countries such as in North America or Europe.
There is no incentive under the current system for any income bracket to spend within their own means, regardless of what those means may be. The high levels of unsustainable personal debt illustrate this perfectly.
This results in overspending on "luxury" (i.e. not "required") goods - even by the "poor". There are few incentives that encourage the poor to establish wealth through savings. There is also no incentive in the system to have individuals increase their income to match their spending, although that's admittedly a much harder accomplishment.
With an income tax system that isn't perfectly flat, the problems you highlight are simply hidden, if not encouraged. With a flat based taxed, they are not, but it is regressive.
With a flat consumption based tax with a level of social control through either personal spending exemptions or through item based exemptions (baby food, for example) we could do a better job of managing the regressive nature of tax systems in general than we do right now.
In addition, we expose basic economics to those who have difficulty understanding the concept by providing strong incentives to build wealth and consume less, regardless of income bracket. This is something we should do.
It's arguable that we'd be better off were that so... part of the tax burden is all the people employed by those taxes who don't actually contribute anything to society on net (that is, whose jobs wouldn't be done at all on the free market)... in this way, taxes can have something like double their cost in harm, potentially.
If you can find even a single agency on that list which performs a function you wouldn't be willing to pay for, the rest of my comment follows for you, specifically: that agency is a net cost to you comprising both the taxes you pay to fund it (proportionately) and the decrease in wealth caused by keeping those people from contributing to the economy by doing something productive. This isn't specific to the US government, of course; that's just the easiest example.
However, I think there might be a naming problem, here. If it seems likely to have practical applications at some point, it's not "fundamental" or "pure" research anymore. Companies doing research into quantum computers or molecular assembly are certainly doing so because they expect to make a profit on it eventually, but the very fact that they have this expectation means that it's disqualified from fundamental research. I still think that there are examples of companies funding general research on the assumption that something will come of it, but it's hard to disentangle the effects of government. The most prominent example, Bell Labs, was run by a government-supported monopoly, for example.
Companies mostly fund research that brings immediate results. Sure, some (like IBM) may be looking further down the line, and some probably just subsidise some research as PR. But areas where there is no clear advantage and in addition carry a large risk, are mostly shunned by corporations.
If you took the government out of the airline industry now, the country would look very different.
I'm not trying to troll, but I'm curious how different the world would look if we left things like infrastructure to the free market.
You won't see it. It's not possible to know how receivers of government action value it without selling them for a price (ie, not being government action).
Then you add on council tax (equiv of state tax although it's calculated based on value of house), VAT (sales tax, 17.5% moving to 20% next year), property tax (only at sale and if you own more than one), and all the sin taxes (cigarettes and gas is WAY higher cos it's mostly tax).
I like living in California and America... the taxes are so low here!
(caveat: yes we get health care paid for in UK which I have to pay for here)
All in all, if I buy something for $100, how much is the tax collected by the government (in addition to what is taken from my income leaving me this $100 to spend)? Is all of that taken into account in this report?
I'd love to see this data in an easy to read format for a variety of goods and industries
Someone making $75,000/year pays a higher % tax their entire life than someone making $200,000/year? Someone making $20,000/year (at 30) pays almost twice the % as someone making $50,000/year (at 30)?
That doesn't seem right.
Edit: Each benefit is considered independently, so if you both made the same amount then there is no increase in maximum payout, however you can take the spouses lower benefit early (62) and put off using your benefit till (67) which would increase your total payout assuming you lived to 85.
PS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_Wage_Base
Ops, looks like they did not raise the cap so it's $106,800 in 2010.
Of course, we never got our lockbox so the upcoming generation of retirees elected governments that spent that retirement money on other stuff now wants to raise taxes so that the current young folks can pay for their irresponsibility.
The things that really hurt in the UK are things like power and fuel costs, council taxes, and various other mortgage-related taxes. That's where I'm really seeing the difference.
Between those two things, plus the general tax benefits of being married (and 50K not being that much for two people imho) give them a low tax rate.
This is why Republicans, who've historically increased government spending, thus have increased real tax rate (while of course giving narrowly targeted breaks to themselves)