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Comes from a guy bending over for communist regimes to protect the revenue. I have 0 respect for people who sell their core principles for money.

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I’m sure you’re aware of the logical fallacy there, but I’d also like to point of that being the CEO of a public company only allows you so much leeway to inject your own morality. Respecting the laws of countries you do business with is part of the job.

Do you also have issues with Apple providing hardware to the US Military knowing it will be used in combat that leads to civilian deaths or engagement in wars you don’t agree with?

That said, his argument for regulation in the United States where this might be a possibility is a good one and something you completely ignored in favor of arguing against the messenger.

Good point. I'm an Apple fan in some ways, but all the 'good' stuff kind of rings hollow in light of what you pointed out.

Can anyone give me a reason to understand why Apple would do this that isn't just about the 'bottom-line'?

Apple is providing some end-to-end encrypted tools to people in China. If they pulled out completely, people would no longer have those.

At least indirectly about their bottom line: Apple can't control fb. They need fb to exist on their phone or their phone is broken for a lot of users. They can look at things like fb tracking every phone call you make and sms you send [1] and be really unhappy about what is happening and yet lack much practical ability to do anything about it.

Also, how long before every lying cop with a 2-bit circuit judge who signs every thing in front of him figure out they can get this data out of FB rather than Apple?

It's also possible to be offended by the fact that I'd bet 99.99999% of users had absolutely zero idea this was going on. The US needs something like the GDPR where uses of personal data collected need to be simply and clearly disclosed instead of buried in 40 pages of bullshit that I can't possibly be seriously expected to read and understand.

[1] https://twitter.com/dylanmckaynz/status/976368845635035138

He is CEO of a for profit company. What else you expec?

He's saying those things to hit their rival, Google of course. Don't assume those guys care about anything except maximizing their profit

What are Tim Cook's core principles? What are Apple's core principles?

Quite right. For about a year now, I have been toying with the idea of building my own personal heavily-encrypted infrastructure (email, storage, etc.) using someone like Digital Ocean. E2E encryption, encryption at rest, getting a domain and giving my friends email accounts that are encryted by default. None of my friends trust or use Facebook, Google, and some others because of not just recent happenings, but also because we see the writing on the wall.

Another thing I want to do on the server(s) is create a proxy "pass-through" that we can point all of our devices to that acts like a Pi-hole, stripping out ads, beacons, trackers, etc. I also want to create a remote desktop from which I can work that is heavily encrypted and all files are backed up not only locally, but remotely in a similar fully encrypted setup.

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