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"Let that sink in" isn't an argument, and it especially isn't an argument that justifies apartheid.

Nobody in Europe is saying Israel shouldn't exist, just that it should be held to modern western moral standards and accountability with regards to human rights.

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Maybe if you were surrounded by people who want to kill you and refuse to accept your legitimacy as a nation, and are subject to constant violence and harassment you would understand why the Israelis are a bit defensive.

By those modern standards, they’re already doing better than the US and UK for example. They didn’t invade Afghanistan and Iraq, they didn’t destabilize Libya, and they don’t have a secret program of drone killings all over the world.

Lose the apartheid nonsense too, you’re insulting the Israelis, and the South Africans who suffered under the real deal.

"I know you are, but what I am I" doesn't excuse Israel for its crimes. The US isn't excused either - that's the whole point I'm making: no special treatment.

And yes, Israel does have a drone assassination program - that's where the US got the idea for theirs. The US Hunter and Pioneer UAV systems are direct derivatives of Israeli models, etc.

...just that it should be held to modern western moral standards and accountability with regards to human rights..

You remember posting that, right?

Israel does have a drone assassination program - that's where the US got the idea for theirs. The US Hunter and Pioneer UAV systems are direct derivatives of Israeli models, etc.

Citations for that?

The crimes of the US don't excuse the crimes of Israel. I don't know why that's so hard for some people to grasp.

Here you go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_combat_aerial_vehicle...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killing#Use_by_Israel

https://www.army-technology.com/features/featureuav-evolutio...

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/31/582099085/journalist-details-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killings_by_Israel_De...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/books/review-rise-and-kil...

“Since World War II, Israel has assassinated more people than any other country in the Western world.”

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