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While for absolute privacy this makes sense, from a lazy ISP dev perspective, why log packets/IPs if you can get marketing data straight from your DNS servers? Surely ISPs have taken this easy approach while encryption has been only for fringe users?

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On the other hand, if I were a curious and amoral ISP dev - I'd consider the people circumventing the "easy approach" to be _much_ more interesting to snoop on...

True, although what are they going to do with the data? If it’s primarily for selling to ad companies, a tiny slice of privacy minded people aren’t worth much.

ISPs want to sell advertising, or data to advertisers. Why bother trying to advertise to a few geeks who are probably running PiHole anyway? Especially since doing that multiplies the hardware requirements 100 fold.

Possibly because the people who you can sell that data to are prepared to pay way more per "product" than the people trying to sell you fast moving consumer goods or ICO de jour...

Wouldn't surprise me at all to find there's a market where intelligence services can purchase lists of TOR users - for example...

Err, snooping on a teen visiting "naughty" sites isn't exactly interesting from any perspective.

Nah. DNS caching would prevent you from seeing every usage of the site. Much better to just log every source ip : dest ip.

IPs are shared, they don't necessarily tell you what site you're accessing.

Never thought of virtual hosts as a security feature! But, I guess it is!

IMHO, very few things the ISPs and their advertising customers care about would be using shared IPs.

The only thing you'll see is a list of CDNs and cloud providers.

I suppose that is true for smaller sites that don't have their own IP addresses but for larger sites you will be easily able to map it through reverse DNS.

Probably only for the very large. And even there I'm not sure if you can distinguish amazon from AWS, Microsoft from Azure and Google from Google Cloud. Facebook and Twitter should work reliably but even with a Facebook IP it could probably still be Instagram or Whatsapp.

Data mining is big money. They can glean in insane amount of personal information about you based on the sites you go, aside from the fact they already know who you are.

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