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I have never been in any Teslas car. But I am so curious about this:

>Quality of Teslas by most accounts is terrible

Can you elaborate a little bit about this?

Peruse Tesla owner forums and reddit. The model 3 in particular has quality issues on brand new cars. Compare it to buying a Honda or Toyota - you're not going to have the kinds of problems described.

Well of course you're going to see people post about issues they're having if you look on forums. Nobody goes out of their way to look on forums and make posts sharing their frustration over the lack of problems they have with their car.

I've been on Honda and Toyota forums in the past, and there was nothing like "my car panels are misaligned fresh out of the factory".

Come on, I'm trying to be scientific about this and you're just going to swing in with a rude, ad hominem argument about "Tesla fanboys"? Claiming that Tesla having bad QC is "common knowledge" doesn't somehow insulate you and your friends from stuff like confirmation bias.

And to address your other point, if you search the web for panel alignment issues on Honda or Toyota cars there seem to be plenty of those out there as well.

Fair enough! My main point was it's not clear that engineers at Tesla are better than those elsewhere. Even if all car companies are terrible. The other biases are my own, and are purely anecdotal based on my own experience and what others tell me. I'll leave it to other people with more time to do a scientific comparison.

I did what you asked. I stopped after a few minutes.

http://www.odyclub.com/forums/54-2011-2017-odyssey/197033-bo...

https://www.civicx.com/threads/any-issues-so-far-fit-finish-...

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/misaligned-rear-bumper.5...

https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+quality+control+issues...

Googling "toyota quality control issues" returns news about a recall of 1.75 million cars. So it seems the "reliable" brands have the same problems. Unless we can quantify it better, it's hard to compare.

JD Power typically produce rankings of faults per 100 vehicles, which seems to be the best metric: http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehic...

Unfortunately Tesla aren't part of this study.

Except when Toyota does a recall, its just a note in the mail and a little extra work at your next service appointment.

When Tesla does a recall, its a major headline news story and fodder for many forum trolls to use in their rants against the company. (plus, a notice and a little extra work at your next service appointment)

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