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The bits about the OpenShift integration are interesting I guess, but buried about halfway down is the news that they intend CoreOS' Container Linux to supplant their existing Fedora/RHEL Atomic Host, and Brandon Philips from CoreOS says that they're be continuing to base it around Ignition[0]

I'm genuinely surprised at this. RH has put a ton of work into rpm-ostree for a long time. I guess there's a chance they'll meld it somehow with Ignition and Container Linux's Chrome OS bits when they turn it into Red Hat Container Linux or whatever it'll be called, but it's surprising to see Red Hat supporting a Linux distro not based of of RPMs and installed with kickstart/anaconda.

[0] https://twitter.com/BrandonPhilips/status/993880972583092225

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The combo is going to be ignition + ostree + evolution of Omaha (update server) + more prototyping still being done.

It won’t be using chrome OS bits.

Edit: as of now this is what the team is thinking, still lots of room for changes as we refine down.

"Team Silverblue: Fedora as an image and container-based desktop OS"

(using ostree)

It's not clear to me if e.g. the Container Linux system will be still built using Gentoo's emerge or the RH tools. You seem to discount the latter, but I guess it depends on what they really mean with "based on Fedora and Red Hat Enterprise Linux sources". Are they going to rebuild e.g. the kernel using emerge, but from RH's source tarballs and collection of patch sets?

Initially its going to be based on RHEL so we can quickly ramp up. Over time it’s very likely we get more aggressive with RH CoreOS and newer kernels, but those are all details being worked on. It’s very important for us to be able to benefit from existing engineering investments in the community and within RHEL, but there’s a lot of excitement about taking what CoreOS proved could be compelling and reinforcing that with the Red Hat engineering teams. Stay tuned for more.

This is why I won't advocate RH and similar vendors. The tech stack churn is too high. If it's not a widely adopted open source platform it's just going to eventually become bought out or die a lonely death with me having to migrate clusters to something else, or hang on to unsupported legacy systems for 10 years. Rather support a Frankenstein's monster of my own design.

Bear in mind that we're basically trying to do it both ways; We still have Red Hat Enterprise Linux, and I don't think anyone would involve the term "tech stack churn" there.

It's CoreOS (now called containerLinux) so they probably figure the end user will install containers instead of rpm packages. I haven't added anything to the base containerLinux image while using it, which is probably as intended.

I am so glad they changed the name. TinyCore and Core Linux were around before CoreOS and I always thought they robbed the name. Defiantly made for some confusion.

If you read the article they are changing it back to Red Hat CoreOS.

container linux was always pretty much useless to search for help for.

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Although... Fedora Core predates them all....

Absolutely, CoreOS (container linux) not being killed and being integrated officially in a RedHat product was the most interesting piece.

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