I've used it extensively and have been happy with it. I've never seen more fud in HN than in swarm vs kub threads.

This is bull. I use both and the difference I see is:

- Swarm does not have namespaces, a swarm cannot be divided into multiple independent ones.

- Swarm CE does not have per-operator Auth

And

- k8s has more moving parts

- has more complicated config files

To me swarm is to k8s like nginx is to apache. The former is lean and easy to setup, the latter has all the bells and whistles for enterprisey, service provider scenarios.

It might be and still succeed compared to its big brother.

I'm inclined to agree with you, but you need to substantiate your thesis with evidence.

isn't docker swarm declared dead by docker team?