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Apple Will Go All-OLED in 2018

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13 pointsjkjustinkumar20 comments

This looks like a completely unsubstantiated manufactured news article.

As an aside, any notion that OLED is the next generation, or natural successor, is questionable. I've gone though a long line of both OLED and LCD smartphones, and each has its advantages.

OLED is lower power if the screen is dark, but if the screen is bright it is a significantly higher power user. OLED burn-in is still a very serious problem, and many users don't realize that the "burn-in proof" screens (something claimed as a new innovation each year since the first introduction of OLED) do it by intentionally wearing out other parts of the screen to try to equalize the fade. After not a long time an OLED screen is much dimmer than it started, and they usually start fairly dim. And even then you'll still see grain and other wear on it.

OLED is an amazing technology, especially for occasional or passive use devices. I still want my heavy use screens to be LCD for now.

OLED is great for non-rectangular, low brightness uses. It's great for non-flat displays. Otherwise its merits are oversold.

This title is misleading. The article suggests that all iPhones will use OLED displays in 2018, not all Apple devices including Macs and iPads.

Not to mention that in the article they talk about 2019 not 2018.

It's a bit like that old Radio Yerevan Soviet joke.

Caller: Is it true that Comrade Petrov in Leningrad received a car from the Party?

Radio Yerevan: Yes, it is true! Though it wasn't a car, instead it was a bicycle. And he didn't get it, his bike was taken away by the Party.

I had a Galaxy S2 with an AMOLED display. I used it for more than five years, no burn ins, no color issues. I've got a Sony with a LCD screen now. The AMOLED was better. Black is black (the difference is very visible at night) and it could be dimmed much more (useful before sleeping.) I don't understand why LCDs are still a thing. Cost?

Edit: another comment pointed out that phones dim the screen to hide burnin. The screen of my old phone did got dimmer over the years. So maybe it got burnin after all.

I have an iPhone X, and compared to the 6S I had before, I really enjoy that I can dim the display a lot more. It’s also surprisingly readable in sunlight.

But the colors are terrible. If you slightly tilt the device, you immediately get a blueish tint. It was jarring when I first started using it. But I got used to it.

I still use my 6s for playing games with my kids occasionally, and I don’t really see a big difference between the displays in typical usage.

So my conclusion is that the difference between high quality LCD and OLED is small, and both have advantages and disadvantages.

Same with SGS3, screen is still great. However the software support was abysmal, and the hardware performance is comparable to a budget phone (~200 EUR) from ~2 years later.

Afaik the main barriers are cost and yield. At the current manufacturing capacity most smartphones just cannot use OLED screens.

This looks like the original article that everyone is basing this information on:

http://www.etnews.com/20180528000239 (in Korean)

> Apple has decided to adopt organic light emitting diodes (OLEDs) next year for all new iPhone models. In addition to premium smartphones, we will also adopt OLED in entry-level models.

> According to industry sources on the 28th, Apple recently launched a new iPhone model in 2019 and decided to adopt OLED for all three. In the meantime, the industry has released two iPhones, one with OLED and one with LCD, and will make the same choice next year.

Recently in 2019. Interesting.

I'm not an Apple customer, but it's moves like these that really make me glad sometimes that it moves the industry like this. Consumers stand a lot to gain from OLED. Lower power consumption has obvious benefits such as either a longer battery life or lighter/thinner phones, depending on what manufacturers believe consumers want, but also non-obvious ones like always-on displays such as those on the Samsung Galaxy and on a lot of smartwatches, which for me are almost a game changer for some daily functions.

One point that this article missed, however: OLEDs suffer from burn-in.

Honestly, I'm not interested in buying an OLED device until it can be confirmed that burn-in won't be a problem for at least 4 years. That's just me being stubborn....

Burn in will always be a problem for self emissive displays its simply the nature of any such display and cannot be overcome completely however the actual problem is drastically overblown.

If they didn't someone else would. The market moves itself.

The article mentions burn-in.

The article's just full of people saying this isn't what will happen so who's saying it will happen exactly?

South Korea’s Electronic Times

The source is in the first sentence of the article.

Ugh. Between burn in and PWM, OLED is not ready for prime time yet. (And it may never be at this rate.)

Is flickering the issue with PWM? The article does mention Apple’s research in microLED.

Edit: iPhoneX flickering: https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2018/03/iphone-x-eye-strain-how-t...

Someone at Bloomberg owns stock in screen manufacturers.

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