CIA Stargate Collection
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Stargate Project was the code name for a secret U.S. Army unit established in 1978 at Fort Meade, Maryland, by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and SRI International (a California contractor) to investigate the potential for psychic phenomena in military and domestic intelligence applications. The Project, and its precursors and sister projects, went by various code names—GONDOLA WISH, GRILL FLAME, CENTER LANE, SUN STREAK, SCANATE—until 1991 when they were consolidated and rechristened as "Stargate Project".
I'd be 100% behind calling the new 'space force' the Starfleet. There is no harm in making a name fun.
[Strategic Defense Initiative] was derisively nicknamed by the media as "Star Wars", after the popular 1977 film by George Lucas.[0]
In political domain specific languages, StarGate could refer to a controversy involving the SDI.
[0]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative
They probably invented some ridiculous justification about "not being able to disprove the unknown" and that every abstract hypothetical threat we can invent should be taken seriously, something something Ruskies.
Side note: Public colleges can also be made tuition free if government scraps financial aid programs that it has (~$69 Billion) and directly pays for all students that go to public colleges. [1]
[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/01/heres-e...
Even now, when public colleges are not tuition free, any decent university still has limited capacity. You need to have certain level of performance to be accepted, not just money.
The pinnacles of this were probably the Buran and F-15 programs. US builds a Space Shuttle so the USSR needs one too... just in case the US decides to activate Shuttle's military features. Buran flies a couple times and is shelved as impractical. Net result: Billions on rubles not spent on other missiles/rocket programs. Conversely, the Americans convinced themselves that the Mig-25 was an epic superfighter. It wasn't. Billions were poured into F-15 development to counter a threat that didn't exist, billions that might have been spent on anything else. Net result: while the F-15 went on to be a great fighter, the USSR remained ahead in high-speed interceptors for two decades.
There are more practical and down-to-earth reasons why they would want to monitor witches. Another gate, the heavens gate UFO cult, caught the FBI's attention when they all killed themselves in 1997. That caused the FBI to start monitoring some scifi and UFO groups. I don't knock the FBI for wanting to maintain broad institutional knowledge. If that means paying for people to be experts on witchcraft ... if they had experts on UFO cults in the 1980s maybe they could have prevented heavens gate.
Governments probably want to fund all kinds of weird research in fear of missing out on the next atom bomb. But there was a long and rich history of rigorous science leading up the the development of the atom bomb. I imagine the same is true about the development of ICBMs ect.
That something is flawed does not mean it is useless.
You can find the fully unmoderated preprint forum at vixra.org and the results speak for themselves.
Our military commander in chief at the time was literally an Alzheimers riddled septuagenarian, guided on policy decisions by a personal astrologer. Nothing from the '80 surprises me.
Worse, the uber-skeptic position has been hurt in recent years, not the least of which with the military releasing incredible footage of the very same UFO experiences that have been dismissed by skeptics:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/12/politics/unidentified-aircraf...
Also, small nitpick, but a witch hunt was a political move against women, not an honest attempt to find real witches. Societies with witch burnings were overly patriarchal and witch threats existed to keep women in line.
I know essentially nothing about this topic but from what I read due to this post the Soviets were not actually researching this, it was just a translation error.
[...] you would more or less have to also.
If your enemy wastes resources on something that is hopeless you don't counter by also wasting your resources on the same thing.
Its also philosophically suspicious to assume we understand everything about human consciousness today [...]
We may not have a good understanding of human consciousness but we have a pretty good understanding of fundamental physics and human consciousness can not sidestep the laws of physics.
Worse, the uber-skeptic position has been hurt in recent years, not the least of which with the military releasing incredible footage of the very same UFO experiences that have been dismissed by skeptics:
I don't know how such footage changed anything, there have been alleged alien space ship sightings for a long time, some easily explained, some remaining unexplained. What do a couple more examples change? There are no alien space ships roaming Earth's sky.
Also, small nitpick, but a witch hunt was a political move against women, not an honest attempt to find real witches. Societies with witch burnings were overly patriarchal and witch threats existed to keep women in line.
According to Wikipedia that was at best one motivation among several and neither a particularly early nor leading one. Anyway, I only used the term witches to make the comment more catchy, I did not want to imply that what they were looking for was the same or similar to witchcraft witches allegedly made use of.
The laws of physics havn't been completely decided. The arrogance of this post is enraging.
Stating anything without doubt is the definition of hubris.
http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2010/09/23/the-laws...
You're not being serious, right?
"Mr. President... we cannot allow... a witchcraft gap!"
But seriously, I assume these programs were used for money laundering or misdirecting funds for serious black projects or something.
This one is a gem: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789...
They were trying to describe nuclear testing sites or activity? And at some point they ended up drawing a cute teapot with musical notes coming out of its spout.
This one has a drawing of a military building, with a little truck and man next to it:
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789...
A rather details rocket engine or a satellite payload:
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789...
Everybody knows about Turing test and many can name and reference the seminal paper: A. M. Turing (1950) Computing Machinery and Intelligence. Mind 49: 433-460. https://www.csee.umbc.edu/courses/471/papers/turing.pdf
> (9) The Argument from Extrasensory Perception
> I assume that the reader is familiar with the idea of extrasensory perception, and the meaning of the four items of it, viz., telepathy, clairvoyance, precognition and psychokinesis. These disturbing phenomena seem to deny all our usual scientific ideas. How we should like to discredit them! Unfortunately the statistical evidence, at least for telepathy, is overwhelming.
In the end Turing suggests that there is need for "telepathy-proof room" for Turing test if telepathy is admitted.
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my favorite CIA file from project SUN STREAK. Oct 1988: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789...
The goal of experiment was to identify the picture inside a folder by psychic means. It was the picture of Albert Einstein.
This would be amazing if it was double blind study but I don't believe it was. The monitor knew the picture and was unintentionally affecting the outcome.
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-0...
If they had found proof of said phenomena, wouldn't it make sense for them to convince the public they had not? To prevent others from looking into the subject while researching it farther and weaponizing it?
After all, one of the agency's prime purposes (as stated by a former director) is to control the narrative of society - to shape commonly held views:
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false" [1].
The American public is pretty well convinced that 'psychic phenomena' isn't real. While this belief is potentially organic, is it that far out of line to question it, considering the striking similarities between mystical belief systems of ancient societies who had no contact with each other (Egypt & Tibet, for example) and the CIA's stated campaign to shape public opinions?
Not directly opposing your statement, just playing devil's advocate around the word 'obviously'.
[1] Former CIA Directory William Casey [via Barbara Honegger]
the data that shows that it worked is still classified
Actionable intel received. Drone strike inbound. Cannot wait to sea the remote-viewed damage assessment. It will be either craters or ice cream trucks everywhere.
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789...
Remote-viewing of a UFO / extraterrestrial probe:
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789...
"A remote action investigation with marine animals" (ie how Aquaman talks to fish. Not joking. They were attempting this in 1987!!!)
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00787...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganzfeld_experiment
It probably doesn't work, but if there is any deviation from chance then they could move on to variations:
* Can information travel instantly?
* Can information be sent forwards/backwards in time (like precogs in Minority Report)?
* Can such a noisy channel be used to transmit binary information (something like Project Sanguine or rfc1149 or https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6667599/)?
All it takes is one replication :-)
Thus, to perform a proper threat analysis, the CIA went to the Stanford Research Institute [0] (separated from the university in 1970) and gave them money to perform a threat analysis.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRI_International
Later it came out that the soviets weren't actually doing psychic spying, it was something of a mis-translation - 'bio-information transfer' would have been more appropriate.
Ingo Swann was the artist who helped put this CIA program together. In the 1960's (?) Mr. Swann had done experiments with some parapsychologists in NYC, and was pretty good at getting information at a distance.
I went to two of Ingo's talks in Las Vegas (2004/2006). He said the government's intelligence agents always hated their research program with a passion, so they had to get results from the very beginning. Mr. Swann said the Government spook's work is predicated on secrecy. When humans have the ability to retrieve information at a distance there are no secrets.
When the Soviet Union went away, the spooks said, essentially, 'oh thank god we can finally get rid of this damn program'. When the first media reports came out, the CIA's official response was something like, 'we spent 25 years studying this and we're 100% sure we never got any results whatsoever.'
Ingo's website was http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/ - this now redirects somewhere else, but the old site was cooler (check archive.org?). According to Mr. Swann, four of humanity's "superpowers" are memory, imagination, intuition and the "telepathic transfer of information". They are superpowers because they "transcend space and time as one major category of activity, and energy and matter as another major category."
Put simply, for there is no other way to put it,
the superpowers of the human biomind are defined
as those indwelling faculties of our species
which can transcend space and time as one major
category of activity, and energy and matter as
another major category.
The full extent of our species faculties of
memory, for example, transcend the known laws of
matter and time, as do the faculties for human
imagination. Memory and imagination, therefore,
are among the many superpowers -- although they
have not been identified this way within the
prevailing wisdom of the Modern Age.
In addition to memory and imagination which are
universally shared by all specimens of our
species, the several formats of intuition and of
the telepathic transfer of information are also
very broadly shared.
In 2004 Mr. Swann told me not to spend $100 for a used copy of his book: "you'll find a copy". 12 years later I found the prophesied copy at the annual VNSA booksale [1] in Phoenix - it'd been miscategorized as 'adult/erotica', and the people with scanners (looking for valuable books to resell) hadn't found it.Best thing I've read all day.
"Mr. President, we must not allow a stargate gap!"
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/c00b94e5-bbb3-4ea9-a078-7a1a21b...
Step 2. Create equivalent program and subcontract out to civilians.
Step 3. There's always a civilian company which will do X if the government says it will pay them.
Step 4. Soviets find out we have a program to do X. Turns out they didn't have one (theirs did Z).
Step 5. Soviets start new program to do X to maintain parity.
Step 6. US hears there's a new Soviet program that's translated as doing Y.
Step 7. Goto Step 1.
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00787...
Psychic experiments didn't work.
Like virtually everything else in biology and learning theory the optimum is not at either "edge" of the parameter space but somewhere in between. Willingness to entertain model-breaking ideas and data is a compromise between the need to avoid falsehood and error and the need to learn and update models when needed.
I don't know how to classify this phenomena but its characteristics are: lofty, haughty, condescending, dismissive language - a desire to be "right" about the "true boring nature of the world - high cynicism paired with disgust for optimism - absolute conviction even lacking more than a trickle of experimental evidence.
In the case of the solar roads, people were "promising" me that it would never be a viable solution not because of any good thermodynamics calculations or anything, but merely because the roads were pretty expensive right now, and kinda slippery right now, and because it seems to make more sense right now to just build solar panels in the Mojave desert or whatever.
Never mind that freeways are arteries across the nation, never mind that maybe someone will whip up some crazy asphalt mixture that you can plug a cord into, nope, it's not ever going to be a thing, TRUUUUST USSSS.
https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/smullyan.html
> Once upon a time there was a universe. In this universe there was a planet. On this planet there was virtually no laughter. Nothing like ``humor'' was really known. People never laughed, nor jested, nor kidded, nor joked, nor anything like that. The inhabitants were extremely serious, conscientious, sincere, hard-working, studious, well wishing, and moral. But of humor they knew nothing. All except for a small minority who had some feeling for what humor was. These people occasionally laughed and joked. Their behavior was extremely alarming to everyone else and was regarded as an obviously pathological phenomenon. These few people were called ``laughers,'' and they were promptly hospitalized.
The most annoying are the many who claim to be approaching thins with reason who immediately flee to the worst flaws in thinking there are, ad hominem and arguments from authority. Rather than focus on substantive issues, they point out that those putting forward the ideas don't have the right credentials or similar. Which, if you're just dealing with "am I personally going to accept this idea", that's fine. But it's a pragmatic dodge that is guaranteed to fail quite often. Identity of the speaker can't influence truth of what is spoken, it's that simple.
Then you've got things like the issues you mention, like the expense. So tackle the expense problem! WHY is it expensive? Things are only expensive for a few reasons. Either they require rare materials, extremely precise engineering, or they're being produced for an extremely small destination market. It's not magic. If the things can be made at scale, and they can be made with commodity components, they can be made cheap, end of story. That's just a matter of scale. Whether that scale could ever be achieved is one of those "you have to grant the hypothetical" situations. The slipperiness might be a bigger sticking point. What physical properties lead to stickiness and how do they affect light transmission through a medium? That might be the killer right there, but you have to actually pursue it before you can write something off.
Being intellectually adventurous isn't for everybody. Many people can't take an idea like "maybe it would be best if we ate people" and then just take it apart and determine what the consequences would be and whether they accomplish a desired goal. They just can't bring themselves to do it. Or once they hear about prion diseases, they bail instantly without looking for workarounds. You have to WANT an idea to work to ever have a chance of proving whether its possible. Then you can define the conditions under which it WOULD be possible. And if it's not possible, then you actually know why. Which means you probably know far more about the original problem you were trying to solve and that might generate some great ideas going forward.
"I can't have people that unlucky working for me."
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788...
The government isn’t that great at secrets.
They disclosed their stealth bombers after a time - and those were also seen before disclosure.
There’s being capable of a thing and the fear that instills in people it’s used against. There’s also displaying a large sword deliberately. Governments in general love having moments where they wow their adversaries.
Given the nature of the US government I think it is unreasonable to anthropomorphisize it as something that can "enjoy displaying a large sword," for example.
This is one of the reasons that many military historians remain confused to this day why Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed. Everyone involved in the decision had to have known that dropping the bombs in unpopulated woodland near the cities would have actually been MORE effective at accomplishing the goals (mostly intimidating the USSR, as it was known from decrypted military communications of the Japanese that they were already defeated and ready to surrender on terms amenable to the Allies).
Do you really mean this? Are you saying that the government is incapable of keeping a certain fact secret, if exposing it will compromise national security?
Example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
> The operation was officially sanctioned in 1953, was reduced in scope in 1964, further curtailed in 1967, and officially halted in 1973.
and
> Project MKUltra was first brought to public attention in 1975 by the Church Committee of the United States Congress...
22 years they kept that from the public. Seems like they did a pretty good job keeping that secret.
MKUltra was wide in scope but no earth-shattering new information was revealed, and I suspect most of those involved didn’t really know the big picture (and the ones that did were likely either too ashamed or too patriotic to talk about it).
That’s a very different type of “big” than, e.g., “we found an alien spaceship in the desert”.
Again, our little argument was asking if such information would ever be revealed to the public if it was found. So including this particular argument is no possible..
We know through OSINT that the government has kept plenty of secrets and they have done so very very well for decades, before leakage or disclosure. Finally, with such a poor SnR these days due to information overload and psyops, even if the government isn't that great at secrets, you still have the herculean task of sorting through the information haystack looking for the needles.
I'm going to make a leap of faith, and say you're an adult in the US.
The fact that there are some US adults not aware of the massive scale secrecy, of the Manhattan Project, is genuinely embarrassing.
For a more recent example, see the NSA circa-Snowden.
"Even though a statistically significant effect has been observed in the laboratory, it remains unclear whether the existence of a paranormal phenomenon, remote viewing, has been demonstrated. The laboratory studies do not provide evidence regarding the origins or nature of the phenomenon, assuming it exists, nor do they address an important methodological issue of inter-judge reliability.
Further, even if it could be demonstrated unequivocally that a paranormal phenomenon occurs under the conditions present in the laboratory paradigm, these conditions have limited applicability and utility for intelligence gathering operations. For example, the nature of the remote viewing targets are vastly dissimilar, as are the specific tasks required of the remote viewers. Most importantly, the information provided by remote viewing is vague and ambiguous, making it difficult, if not impossible, for the technique to yield information of sufficient quality and accuracy of information for actionable intelligence. Thus, we conclude that continued use of remote viewing in intelligence gathering operations is not warranted."
quoting: Executive summary, "An Evaluation of Remote Viewing: Research and Applications", American Institutes for Research, Sept. 29, 1995[19]
-Ted Talk with Walter von Lucadou https://youtu.be/TdfFEO-lFD0