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I actually see this as beneficial in a couple of ways.

- it's very hard to "self talk" yourself into doing things you don't really want to do

- things you do want to do draw an intense level of focus so you get deeper into them

- yeah it can make you a little sloppy but you learn from these mistakes and they sometimes lead to serendipitous accidental discoveries

- it can cause you to take a no-nonsense expedient approach that can sometimes be better

That said, when you're back in normality again you can sometimes be left scratching your head wondering how you came up with that, or how it even works!

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One point is that you may be depriving your mind of the opportunity to build these skills on its own. If you rely on drugs to shift your brain behavior, you may lose (or at least not improve) your ability to reason from first principles, focus into a complex topic, or draw creative connections without entering an altered state. You may or may not care about that, but it's worth considering for others who may read your post.

No, you're right. Your concerns are real but they apply to any kind of external dependency, be it cannabis, alchohol, cars or air conditioning. I wouldn't suggest that you rely on this as a creative process, but altered states can provide a different perspective. I would say though, speaking personally that I mightn't have developed certain ways of thinking at all otherwise.

That's very dangerous advice. These substances can warp you mind in irrecoverable ways. Plenty of people also end up in asylums and ER

I'm not giving advice?

I'm describing an experience. Which substances are you talking about because I'm talking about Cannabis. The idea that somebody could end up in an ER for smoking weed is laughably remote.

>> Which substances are you talking about because I'm talking about Cannabis

I see. That might be true in most cases, but even Cannabis can have adverse effects on people with predisposition to mental illnesses

Yeah, sure. And water can cause drowning or severe burns when in gaseous form.

So can getting married, having children, going to college, financial stress, alcohol, and a slew of other things. That doesn't mean that we should make all of these things illegal. To me, it means that we should be upfront and honest about this - but it is going to take some work since we've used scare tactics and misinformation for so long.

I don’t think the person above is saying that weed should be banned, just that it has risks that need to be pointed out. See also in this discussion someone pointing out that even small amounts give them panic attacks, and the response had been variously “ok, just given yourself smaller amounts then” and also “have you considered intentionally giving yourself panic attacks” instead of respecting the decision that smoking any weed may be bad for someone or exacerbate abt mental conditions they have.

Without qualifiers on this stuff, it often reminds me of scare tactics. I did see the bit about panic attacks, and I know it happens - but generally all that is needed for some of this stuff is prudent education. Pointing out, "While most folks tolerate the substance well, some might find it makes a mental or medical condition worse" is considerably different.

It is kind of like Ibuprofen or cough and cold medicine. It is pretty safe for most folks to take, yet a few folks are allergic or have other conditions that makes it dangerous to take. It is worth mentioning the hazards - but if you leave off the safety qualifier, it can scare folks away from taking it. Advice to treat the underlying condition is prudent in some cases, others might be advised to avoid it entirely or take smaller doses - much like the advice for the person that gets panic attacks.

See also "ignoring the base rate" [0]

To what extent is, weed giving a person panic attacks a bigger cause of panic attacks such as "being in a crowd" or "occupational stress"?

Nobody is saying that weed is for everybody but they're not forcing it on anybody either. For whatever downsides there are, are they significant when compared to just about anything else?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy

That person never claimed they were the norm, or even remotely so. They mentioned having plenty of friends who had no ill effects beyond being perceived as lazy by the poster. They shouldn’t have to put a disclaimer on their post saying their negative experience may be an outlier any more than anyone espousing a positive experience should put a disclaimer saying that negative experiences are possible. By arguing that all people espousing negative experiences should also add that they might be outliers, I don’t see how it isn’t merely presenting a skewed view of the situation from the pro-marijuana side.

I should also note that when people have bad experiences with medication like ibuprofen and decide that it isn’t for them, people don’t respond by invalidating their experiences and position in the assumption they just aren’t educated enough about how to use it.

...and how does the percentage of pot smokers who end up in asylums or the ER compare with that of the population as a whole?

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