The Dangers of Train Yards, Through the Eyes of Railroad Employees
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Boring but very real reasons why we "can't just update things"
Cab signals are (usually) transmitted through the rail and picked up by a special receiver on the leading axle of the locomotive. Each locomotive has to be equipped and the rails themselves have to be checked and blocked. This also means the rails have a higher maintenance requirement as opposed to lineside signals which can be more easily maintained.
However, some countries (Brazil predominantly) have embraced a GPS based cab signal system where lineside signals are almost totally eliminated. However, this was done with federal subsidies to cover the expense iirc.
Another example is the US Northeast Corridor where cab signals are used along with lineside signals to provide a level of redundancy at speed.
Unfortunately there’s no easy solution, but I lean towards the Brazilian GPS based systems from Wabtec.
That said, the rollout of the infrastructure side of ETCS is somewhat delayed, but it is happening in places (Thameslink is ETCS Level 2 with conventional signal overlay, albeit with shorter blocks in ETCS; Crossrail is ETCS Level 2 with no overlay).
It's like you need to design a nuclear reactor to deal with an aircraft hitting it. You don't need to automate the response becase that's a rare situation.
Can't cite a source (I think I read about it on the Altamont Press discussion board). And that's only one instance. And it could have been reported incorrectly. But it appears to be possible for this to happen.
each unit has two cabs (one at each end)
a common configuration is a 12 coach train made up of 3 x 4-long-units, which would have 6 cabs
that's a lot of upgrading
[1]: http://extra.southernelectric.org.uk/news/southern/img/colin...
[2]: http://extra.southernelectric.org.uk/news/southern/img/colin...
If budgets always allowed us to do what's best over the next decades the world would probably be a much nicer place.
On a bike, you maintain a steady speed by matching drag losses with the energy you're putting into the pedals. Braking and other actions cost you energy you've put in.
For automobiles and trucks, added mass has a significant change to momentum, and I feel that. Boats, from a row or sailboat to a 30m+ power vessel, have their momentum, drag, and interaction with water, waves, currents, and wind.
Trains are a whole 'nother ballgame.
Bikes also pioneer high tech lightweight materials, only recently have 'bicycle grade' aluminium and carbon fibre been used on those boxy car things.
It is a whole different world of 'body on frame' engineering. I sometimes wonder what a train would look like if it was designed from the ground up by a bicycle designer with a Lotus engineer - 'add lightness'.
Some modern 'Tesla truck' tech could be thrown in too.
Imagine having half the amount of wheels, all of them actively powered and actively steered so no screeching on corners. The seats could be 'bus stop grade' and the monocoque being some extruded tube with the hand rails and luggage racks being structural elements, like a rally car roll cage.
The idea of Brunel's wide gauge was to have the wheels at the side of the train rather than have the train sit above the tracks. Imagine if you had independent suspension and stepped a metre down into the train for some super low centre of gravity. Or if that extra space below the train was a massive parcel area so goods were shifted on/off trains with some standard pallets that just slotted in, aircraft style. Think how much traffic could be shifted off the roads particularly if you ran the trains in mixed freight mode through the night.
Rollercoaster style tracks, particularly in tube lines could be used to slow down trains at stations and speed them up afterwards.
As for the doors, these could be integrated into the compartment ends, so rather than there being the normal interconnect between compartments the doors would slide back/fore to keep the train enclosed on corners without the usual rubbery bendy bit needed.
Add airbags and seatbelts, windows that open, a bit of wifi and you could have comfort and actual passenger safety.
As does the frequent mistake of putting weight on the rear pedal. Realising this made me understand how little energy it really takes to keep a bicycle going, given the correct gear.
I don't follow. What do you mean here?
Which is exactly why bicycles are so fond of rolling through stop signs. When you're riding one, it is obvious to you that going from 20 mph down to 10, then back up to 20 is reasonably safe and only takes half the effort as going from 20 mph down to 0 and then back up to 20.
That seems far fetched. 1000' is a long way at 5mph. The number of engines doesn't matter. Each car has its own brakes in an emergency. Cut pressure in the line and every car will brake itself. Perhaps they meant situations involving hills, not uncommon for ore trains heading from mines.
There's a whole sequence of events behind this, from the work to remove slippery leaves from rails, to the sand applied during braking if wheels are slipping, to the IT systems and management processes identifying why the train didn't have any sand. It's a fascinating 151 page report.
https://www.gov.uk/raib-reports/station-overrun-incident-at-... (PDF report linked at the bottom).
Counting pixels, the distance covered from 10mph to zero is about 350 feet. With this distance for a lightly loaded passenger train, 1000 feet doesn't seem impossible or even unreasonable for a heavy freight train at 5mph.
Drivers likely could not give an accurate estimation for how many feet it takes to do anything on the road, such as come to a stop in an SUV going 50. Given the extreme mass of a cargo train, I wouldn't be surprised if the distance figures sounded high.
Isn't knowledge of stopping distances for vehicles at various speeds and different road surface conditions a requirement for obtaining a driving license? (At least, in the UK I believe it is, and I think the Highway Code tables probably over-estimate these distances for safety purposes)
That said, I think often the bigger problem is people not realising especially in more unusual conditions (like snow in much of Britain) quite how much longer braking distances become.
Air brakes, once pressurized, don't take much to maintain. Relatively small pipes work on even very long trains. You can add cars all day without increasing the steady load on the compressor. A longer train will take longer to pressurize, but once there it would not need the compressor to run constantly. Air is also not as dangerous as running large electrical cables the length of a train.
This lets them start easier/quicker from a stop, as they don't have to re-air the entire train and less wear on the brakes of the trains in the front of the train as all the cars start braking at the same time. This is particularly useful for trains that have to start on a hill as taking minutes for your brakes to fully turn off can complicate things.
That said, I think an emergency stop (air loss) would stop it faster.
I once learned in a physics class that weight has nothing to do with the stopping distance, but rather the steel on steel friction coefficient.
We're currently fighting a whole genre of fire at work that boils down to the fact that a particular system, with many many finicky integrations both inside the company and with rickety old 3rd-party systems, was designed with the assumption that there was a so-called "junior QA" team who would be manually looking for trends in error logs and failed task logs. This position was eliminated with a corporate reorganization, and the many many moving pieces are slowly getting rewritten with different assumptions about monitoring, alerting, and logging, but in the meantime there is not anybody covering this function. This means that we typically only have a chance to fix things after they've started to be an actual nuisance to someone and they complain, whereas with the old team in place we had a better shot at identifying problems before they became a major nuisance and fixing them before anyone complained.
Now I'm wondering about the cross-over between that and rubber-duck debugging.
More often these days, trains have extra engines on the end (and middle) that are controlled from the front in Distributed Power Units (DPU's). By spreading power out, you have more control, less stress on the couplers, can run a longer train, and the air brakes respond faster (closer to each engine for pressure changes and recharges).
https://historicpittsburgh.org/collection/pennsylvania-railr...
Many of the photographs feature gnarled old railroad bridges because of the hills and rivers in the region. Because of the region's steel industry, many photograph also feature smoke stacks and dirty skies.
Here is how the collection is described:
"""The Pennsylvania Railroad collection, held by the Archives Service Center, includes 345 (nearly all of which are 8x10 in size) gelatin dry plate images of railroad infrastructure dating from 1907-1917. Many of the images depict construction and repair projects to the company's lines, both within the city of Pittsburgh, as well as across the Midwest. Featured prominently in the collection is the renovation and construction of the second track for the Ohio Connecting Railway Bridge, located just north of downtown Pittsburgh. The collection also includes numerous views of track re-grading operations which occurred in Pittsburgh, as well as other major cities including Cleveland, Chicago, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, and Detroit."""
> the union had more than 30 railroad employees take photos of their workplace in an effort to demonstrate the hazards firemen could help navigate around.
suggests that the presumably union workers may have tended to choose to take photos of the more (or most) dangerous locations.
For a company perspective from the 1940s, see ""Why Risk Your Life?" -- 1940s Railroad Safety Film" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqpayZ2JqlU
That would be where the accidents happen, right? Thus the photos are taken there.
Compare those photos to Union Pacific’s Global III yard in Illinois: https://www.hanson-inc.com/portfolio/Union-Pacific-Railroad-...
Fundamentally different designs then and now as they aren’t trying to load boxcars and instead transload containers.
They were able to keep him alive long enough to cover him with a tarp and bring his family in to say goodbye. He died immediately upon separation of the knuckle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crush_syndrome
It's hard to understand why Snopes has this marked as a myth. The specific anecdote structure with the wife showing up is clearly a meme but that doesn't make it a mythical type of event.
We're much better at dealing with this situation in developed countries now. It's still a serious hazard. Around the turn of the 20th century it was very difficult to handle.
That doesn't seem to describe a situation like the ggp was talking about.
The key elements of the Snopes article are these:
-Victim was crushed by machinery.
-Victim is still alive.
-Victim is not in much pain.
-If the machinery is removed the victim will probably die quickly.
-There's time to have them communicate with loved ones, a priest, whoever.
There are literally videos of this situation on liveleak. It happens with trains, with elevators, with forklifts and freight, and most commonly with car accidents.
The reason you don't remove the person at first is that they'll bleed out. The crushing material is an effective tourniquet so the person just sits there, alive and moving.
By the time that emergency responders get there to address the blood loss crush syndrome is a definite possibility. The person is generally going to faint the moment the equipment is removed because of the sudden loss of blood pressure. If they don't die of blood loss then they may have kidney failure and die on the way to treatment.
Everything about this is shockingly common except bringing the victim's family down to say goodbye or bringing in a priest.
To suggest that this has not happened in any of the hundreds or thousands of crushing cases since the industrial revolution occurred is ludicrous. It used to be that companies provided housing for workers near the factory/trainyard/loading dock. It would often have been the case that the victim's family could get there before an emergency responder.
The sense in which this is a "legend" is that people claim it happened to a friend-of-a-friend or whatever, and it's true that's an urban legend channel, but the actual events are documented except for the dramatic last kiss. I wouldn't even be sure that isn't documented. I just haven't seen it.
Same with injectors of diesel engines.
That sort of thing can lead straight to an amputation.
I've heard this story perhaps as frequently as I hear about people who go cow tipping. But then I ask and it back tracks 'Oh, did I say I went cow tipping? I meant I sat in the car while some friends went cow tipping. And no, I guess I didn't see any cows. And we were parked in a taco bell parking lot.'
Also, cookie wall. So the TLDR is that in the past, more people needed to be employed on a train. The diesel came and they could redesign the locomotives so no big boiler was in front which blocks visibility. Problem solved for the railroads, but people unemployed. Apparently there are some historical pictures that they took on rail yards to prove the visibility issue.