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Conspiracy and RICO charges necessitate many low level indictments to demonstrate to the court that there is probable cause to the indict the bigger fish

If you cannot arrest the people in the "low level indictments" or threaten them with prison then they aren't going to help you with the "bigger fish".

Mueller has already brought these charges in front of a judge

You're entirely wrong. This went in front of a grand jury, not a judge. That shows that your understanding of this whole process may not be what it needs to be to make the arguments you are making. Anger in no way makes up for lack of knowledge.

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> That shows that your understanding of this whole process may not be what it needs to be to make the arguments you are making.

You don't even know that judges preside over grand jury proceedings. That's, like, the most fundamental aspect of the entire legal system: there is a judge deciding things.

You have no business criticizing someone's understanding of the judicial system.

Grand juries indict people, not judges.

Grand juries follow the instructions of the judge presiding over the proceedings.

And then the grand jury, completely independent of any judge, makes a decision as to whether or not to indict. Your argument is like saying the referees decide who wins the Super Bowl.

Grand juries cannot even exist independent of a judge, let alone decide things of consequence like an indictment.

What planet do you live on?

You're actually trying to argue that judges have an active decision making role in deciding whether or not a grand jury issues an indictment? You're really destroying your own credibility and making my point for me the deeper this conversation goes.

There's an old saying: When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

You're actually trying to argue that judges don't play an active role in the JUDICIAL SYSTEM.

You're literally arguing that water isn't wet.

I'm not going to let this go, because you are trying to deliberately spread information about how our legal system works that is factually false, and that is damaging both to HN and to our country. So let me make it clear: In our system of justice, judges do not have any vote in whether or not federal grand juries issue indictments.

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