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They are not building what people actually want. A modern macbook pro with F keys and a physical escape key instead of a Touchbar and ports that actually get used in addition to USB-c (USB, HDMI, maybe a memory card reader). They are so out of touch it's a joke. I'm not sure how they are managing to make each iteration of the Macbook Pro worse except for the actual specs.

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Is that what people want, or is that what you want? I couldn't care less about a row of keys I never use, so I'm not sure you speak for everyone when you say what "people" actually want.

What this person wants is a home, end, forward delete, pgup and pgdn key on the keyboard, which the touchbar lets me have. Funny how what "the people" want manages to line up exactly with your expectations and doesn't match mine at all.

Exactly right. And I made the jump and bought a USB-C monitor which plugs right into the MBP and charges and connects video in the same connector (which is awesome). Then I bought the USB C to Lightning cable, which fast charges my iPhone. I wish Apple had gone with USB C for the iPhone instead of Lightning, but I think they are too deep in with Lightning at this point.

I have the HDMI/old-USB to USB C dongle, but I hardly ever use it these days.

I'd gladly support an all USB C future.

The full size SD card slot is important to photo/videographers, a market that Apple seems to be taking for granted recently. The range of "professional" users that the Macbook Pro is actually appealing to seems to be getting narrower and narrower over time.

Can attest as a non-pro photographer (but as someone who cares a lot about photography), that the SD card built in is not that important. I tend to use a dock/reader anyway because most of my cameras use CF or mini SD. True, full sized SD cards are actually not used in any equipment I have now.

CF has always been used in high end bodies, but most of them still have a secondary SD card slot. And these days SD is fast enough to be used as the primary card and there are flagships like the Sony A9 that only take dual SD cards.

I use both the F-keys and Home, End, Insert, Delete, PgUp, and PgDown on my laptop. The two use cases can co-exist, but it seems Apple doesn't want to bother appealing to those who want both.

well... sprite wants it and I want it. and some colleagues want it too. So... "people" - yeah - "people" want it. Not just sprite.

There's not a lot I can do to register dissatisfaction with Apple's direction. I bought a 2016 mbp, then returned it (for a variety of reasons) - many of which have been beaten to death here in the last 18 months.

I think that's what a lot of people want, at least in my circle of friends who have the Touchbar and they absolutely hate it, mainly because of the escape key, accidental touches of the touch bar being annoying, and it being a visual distraction (minor issue IMO, unless you work in lowlight conditions a lot).

I wish Apple would go back to the 2012 models and just refresh the internals.

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