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Neat, though it sounds like this game could be trivially beaten by agreeing to sleepsort ahead of time (if your propensity to solve a game outweighs your desire to not be a killjoy, anyway). For a less trivial take on a cooperative game that limits communication (which is essential for any cooperative game, to prevent quarterbacking) I highly recommend Hanabi: https://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/98778/hanabi

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Seconding this. The first thing that came to my mind when reading this article was Hanabi - which is a fantastic game.

There's also a number of fun papers out there about Hanabi:

Hanabi is NP-Complete, Even for Cheaters Who Look at Their Cards : http://drops.dagstuhl.de/opus/volltexte/2016/5864/pdf/4.pdf

Playing Hanabi Near-Optimally: http://www.mi.parisdescartes.fr/~bouzy/publications/bouzy-ha... (Though maybe skip this one if you intend to play the game for fun with friends)

PDF warning, both links

(Sorry, mobile cuts off the second half of the URL)

Based on jsnells comments on the other subthread, it seems like sleepsorting is the intended end result/mechanism of the game. So it is not really killjoy or game-breaking strategy

>to prevent quarterbacking

Do you mean "the action of making criticisms after the event" as in Wiktionary, "to be the head of your click" as in Urban Dictionary or something else?

In co-op games, quarterbacking is where a player dominates the game by telling all the other players what to do, making strategic and tactical choices for them. This means that really only one person is playing a game, making it less fun everyone else.

> a cooperative game that limits communication (which is essential for any cooperative game, to prevent quarterbacking)

Just no. The very point of cooperative games is learning to work together as a team. If you can't do that, then you lost the game. Ruining the rules so the game can't be lost is counterproductive.

It’s really hard and not fun to keep everyone just counting seconds. In practice it goes faster in earlier rounds and slower in later ones.

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