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> [citation needed]

Norway doesn't have a network of violent gangs sitting in their prisons.

> I'm not sure you can call the Canadian

Canada is mostly on the path to copy US when it comes to gang violence.

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Canada is not on path to copy the US when it comes to gang violence, unless you have some numbers to back that up. Yes, it's gone up lately, back to levels 10 years ago, while overall criminality and especially gun crimes have gone down. Please find some evidence to compare rate changes between the US and Canada. [1]

You should really look at the numbers. The rape rate in the US is 17X Canada. Murders 3X. And the US age of criminal responsibility is SIX?! [2] It's pretty clear whatever system you advocate for isn't working.

[1] https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/7-charts-that-tell-the-s...

[2] http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/Unit...

The "age of criminal responsibility" is extremely misleading. There is no uniform "age of criminal responsibility" in the US, each state is different and each law is different, and the site you posted fully acknowledges that[1]. Prosecutors also have a very heavy amount of leeway in this realm.

[1] DEFINITION: The age at which a person is no longer excluded from criminal liability. The lowest age is indicated for countries where there isn’t a single age limit, for example where different states have different regulations (such as the USA) or there is different limits for boy and girls (such as in Iran). The spectrum is specifically wide for the USA and Mexico (both 6-12 years). Several US states do not stipulate any minimal age for criminal responsibility at all.

At no point whatsoever is a 6 year old criminally responsible for anything - and you can tell, because they're 6. This is what a 6 year old look like? [1] This feels apologist - prosecutors should have zero leeway in this matter. States where there isn't one are even worse IMO.

[1] https://www.momjunction.com/articles/gift-ideas-for-6-year-o...

Editing since I can't reply: I may have misread your reply to mine, I reacted because in my mind, that there's a range or discretion is irrelevant because it's so far out there in the first place. Cleaned it up to be less pointed, to better line up with my intent and hopefully yours.

Excuse me? Please read the comment you are replying to; I did not say a six year old should be criminally responsible for anything or anything of the sort.

> Norway doesn't have a network of violent gangs sitting in their prisons.

Is this something that allows them to have a rehabilitative prison system, or something that is caused by having a rehabilitative prison system?

Its something that is caused by the vast majority of people in the country being white Norwegian citizens. They have very few people (comparatively) who are social outcasts on the basis of being from somewhere else or not speaking the language or being a different color or all three. There is much less need for gangs as an alternative path to acceptance by a group.

There are lots and lots of very violent criminal gangs made up of white people from the US who speak English. Many of them are, in fact, white supremacist gangs.

I do not see any evidence that gangs have anything to do with being immigrants. I think gangs have something to do with a culture having an underclass.

There's less reason for racist white gangs to form in Norway when the country is largely homogeneous.

Dudes, I am not engaging with you any further.

Obviously, you have this idea that when black people form a gang, they are bad, but when white people form a gang, well, it’s because of the black people forcing them to form a gang.

Sorry, but further refuting of this kind of reasoning is beneath me. I see you very clearly for what you are and for the propaganda and disinformation you are trying to spread.

I'm not even the same person as OP so your last sentence doesn't make any sense. I was only pointing out that white supremacist gangs forming in the US has nothing to do with Norway. I also don't think white gangs are only in reaction to other gangs and I also don't think black gangs can all be simply labeled as "bad" or that white gangs are "good."

.... okay but you haven't established why "[having] a network of violent gangs sitting in prisons" causes rehabilitation programs to fail.

I'm not saying your wrong or anything, I don't know, just you don't have a an argument that's even a tiny bit convincing.

You're also getting into "chicken or egg" territory.

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