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Will you upgrade to Ubuntu 10.10 tonight?

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I would suggest folk don't upgrade to it.

They are releasing with a beta version of an Nvidia driver that they switched to only this week. I've been running the 10.10 beta since it was announced, and this beta driver black-screens here unfortunately. I have to run an older driver via a manual install from Nvidia for things to work; the Ubuntu team do not provide an option for this.

Even if this problem doesn't affect you, a lot of folk are having 100% cpu issues for some display operations. I can hit this by simply scrolling in a terminal window.

Some machines will also fail to suspend. A hack has been made to grub to help with this, but it might also be necessary to add custom parameters to the grub kernel lines. I'm having to use "acpi_sleep=nonvs" so that suspend works.

In addition, there is a bug that can cause pulseaudio to hit 100% (on one processor, these days) when unpluggging some USB audio devices. Yup, got that one too.

This is the worst release I've experienced on Ubuntu. I've used it since 5.10. This same machine worked flawlessly on 10.04.

I get the impression that they were going to release on 10/10/10 regardless of issues. It would take balls not to release it at this point, but that would be the appropriate thing to do. I don't believe it's ready. We'll see.

the decision to upgrade to the 260.xx nvidia drivers has been made exactly because earlier drivers have a performance issues related to text rendering (the most likely culprit of high cpu usage when using terminal). You could try changing hinting and smoothing options to see if that helps. Or you could just use nouveau - it got really nice in last 12 months or so.

No longer have to recompile the Ralink Wi-Fi driver on my netbook every time there's a kernel update? Yes please.

On a side note, is there a good summary of new features out there that isn't terribly outdated?

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview

I have made it a custom to stay one release behind with Ubuntu Desktop. When the next version is released (11.04?) I'll upgrade to 10.10. For servers I only use LTS versions.

It can be a good recipe if you just need the system that works and if everything was already working.

However, on my computers, on the hardware side, I always expected the improvements of the new version. Then I've discovered that simple upgrades can even break the software side of the distro (the interaction between their own parts), as it seems that the upgrades are not enough tested compared to the clean installs. I've found that it's much more probable to have everything working correctly if I just keep the home partition but install the new release from the scratch. But this is also more work than it's convenient, for doing every six months.

Additionally, I've found that security updates are still behaving better when run from the console than from the GUI. It shouldn't be so. The GUI updates should not be so annoying and attention consuming but really do things in the background.

I noticed when doing a fresh install of 10.10rc (previously using 10.04LTS) that my laptop fan actually changes speed and keeps the laptop significantly cooler temps than 10.04LTS. Laptop is a Toshiba Satellite. I believe 10.10 is also more effecient when viewing system with Powertop. I am happy that I switched to the 10.10 rc. Is there a great difference between the rc and the final version? I noticed the rc version is slightly larger in size.

I'll upgrade, but since I'm running 10.10 RC, it'll probably be a few minor package upgrades.

Two issues I've had - cosmetic ones really (both on a Fujitu Amilo and Acer Aspire One):

1. Upgrade to Qt4 broke Spotify Linux. This is a Spotify, not Ubuntu issue, but just FYI.

2. Compiz Wallpaper is broken. That is, if you had Compiz to show different wallpaper for each workspace, it now just has a blank screen.

Otherwise working OK, nice new fonts and icons, but not amazing. If in doubt probably worth waiting a while for the fixes.

My one colleague has an Ubuntu machine and every time he upgrades something breaks. Be it a 3g modem driver, or a graphics card driver or something else. This is exactly why I tell my non-geeky friends not to install Linux, because they just want something that works, not something they have to spend time on to get the basics sorted out (or worse: call me to fix it).

I wont be upgrading upon release mainly because the servers always get slammed as soon as a new release comes out. However I'm not all that excited about the new version anyway, i'm sure there is plenty nice new small things that'll make it better in some way but theres no major new thing that will get me to upgrade.

Eventually i'll upgrade at some point, but no rush.

That's what the BitTorrent release is for. It actually gets faster as more people try to download…

...assuming they're not just leeching.

Yeah, I checked out the known issues and found nothing that would impact me. I did do-update-release earlier today and it took about an hour while I did other things.

So far I've had no problems, but also haven't noticed many improvements.

I have recently switched from 95% Ubuntu + 5% Vista to 100% Ubuntu. My system is pretty "green" to worry about possible problems. I am looking forward to try upgrading tonight

Just upgraded from 10.04 to the Maverick RC. Apart from messed up trackpad configuration on my MacBook Air and the new font requiring some time getting used to, seems fine.

Trackpad configuration was fixed by installing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics. After also installing the new "application menu" the desktop looks nice!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/5071040159/

I already did. Love the new Bluebird theme for Xfce.

The only problem I had was TouchFreeze[1] got uninstalled and removed from the repository :/

I had to look around but eventually I downloaded the source from launchpad[2] and installed it[3]

[1] App to freeze touchpad while typing

[2] bzr branch lp:ubuntu/touchfreeze

[3] qmake && make && cp touchfreeze ~/bin/

No. I always keep 1 version behind for stability reasons. Now i upgraded to 10.04 and will stick with it since it is LTS release.

Same, unless there is just something I really really want or need in the current version.

My desktop's been on 10.10 since early September, my first go at a beta release.

One the whole I don't think I'd do it again; there's been at least two showstopping bugs. To be fair, one of those (ATI driver incompatibility with new X server version, from what I understand) probably won't be fixed in the final release either.

ATI released new drivers that are compatible with 1.9, working fine for me here so far. Can't wait till the free software drivers get good evergreen support and I can dump the proprietary pain.

After making sure I had everything up to date, the fglrx drivers still do not work on 10.10 for me, sadly. They seem to have fixed the issue for more people, but not everyone.

Ubuntu 10.10 works very well on EC2 for me. In 10.04 they recently introduced a bug(1) which causes 100% cpu on one core -- that's no longer the case in 10.10.

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-on-ec2/+bug/574910

I will not be upgrading tonight. (Yesterday)

Due to ATI's poor Linux support on their newer video cards, even upgrading my kernel is often a pain. Furthermore, without significant new features, I'm perfectly happy to keep my box chugging along with 10.04 LTS.

I already upgraded to beta last month. Have been running solid on my home laptop. I don't use any close sourced drivers though.

So far the best feature I like is the new fonts. It really makes a difference in the overall user experience.

Not me. I'm still on 8.04 :/

Same here. For most things it makes little difference, but over time I'm finding that some apps I want to install are rather stubborn about their dependencies.

So I have a dated vlc, a dated Amarok, etc.

I want to update, but I need to do a solid disk image backup of my laptop first in case shit happens.

I've been running 9.x or 10.x or so on my desktop, with Trinity KDE3, and have been pretty happy with it; hibernation started working after a somewhat recent kernel update. :)

There hasn't been a better media player since Amarok 1.4, and it's no longer in the repository :-(. Even Pana and Clementine which aim to be remakes of Amarok 1.4 fail to meet all of the nice subtleties. And we all know what a piece of shit Amarok 2.x is...

I tried getting Amarok 1.4 to build on my mac, but that failed. :(

I really like Amarok 1.4. Don't like 2.x. (Don't like KDE 4, either, so I'm glad Trinity is around, despite its quirks).

Wow, Trinity is impossible to search for. May I have a link, sir?

As well as the 10.10 laptop mentioned elsewhere, I have a laptop on 9.04, which is rock-solid. I won't be upgrading it. It will likely reach its eol on 9.04. Most stable and reliable release since 5.10, in my experience.

I've already upgraded my laptop and file server to the 10.10 RC, and upgraded the few packages that changed between the RC release date and now. Haven't encountered any issues so far.

No, I'll stick with the LTS version a while. So far I've seen nothing compelling in 10.10 anyway. A few cosmetic changes, and maybe a few others I can upgrade individually in 10.04.

I'm sticking with LTS too. Seems like new kernel+x.org have some problems with non-intel graphic cards. Now Ati works, NV doesn't. I tried the RC on my notebook, didn't notice any changes.

Yeah. I'm using 10.10RC and when I upgraded, my dual-screen monitor setup (nvidia card) didn't work with my old config. I eventually dropped my config and let it make its own.

Then it was -very- prone to crashing. I just finally fixed it by disabling one of the screens today. At least, I think it is. It's extremely hard to track down because it happens almost randomly. But it definitely started when I upgraded.

Update: Switching to a single screen didn't fix it. It just made it happen less often. -sigh-

Why not? The nice thing about these quick incremental updates is that no huge change breaks everything and makes you want to die. Right now I'm running Maverick RC and have no issues.

No.

I won't upgrade tonight or at least for a few weeks, but I will probably upgrade to 11.04 as soon as it's released.

Since I discovered Slackware I will never go back to Ubuntu or Debian.

What are some of your main reasons?

My first gripe is the repository system. It might sound silly for a lot of people but it's not as silly as it sounds. Firstly you don't have to deal with the changes that debian do to some of the packages in the repo (for example the OpenSSL security holes). Secondly if you need two different versions it can be a pain in the ass to get it to work and thirdly you don't have to install a ton of dependencies if all you want is a small program.

The two last reasons are so much easier and faster to do by hand and it was such a breeze to do in Slackware compared to when I ran into it in Ubuntu.

The second thing that I like a lot more with Slackware is the config style; to go into a file and to edit it directly instead of doing it GUI-style. I guess you could configure it in the files directly in Ubuntu too, but Slackware is basically built around editing these files for configuration and so I've find that they're a lot easier to edit; great documentation and easy to find.

Ubunut is a great way to easily get a working linux up and running without much configuration needed, but if you have the time and energy to sit down and tinker with it a bit like I had then Slackware is pretty easy and straightforward too.

Lastly I think that if you run Ubuntu, you will learn exactly that: Ubuntu. But if you run Slackware you will learn more linux with only a few Slackware specific parts like the startup scripts and the package tools - I can't honestly think of anything else which is unique to Slackware (the startup scripts are actually BSD style but meh). Which is a good thing if you want to learn linux like me.

I'm the other way around. 10 years ago I was quite happy configuring every little bit to pieces, spending days to get X11 to work properly with some weird graphics card. Now, I enjoy being able to install the (Linux) OS on a new laptop, and everything Just Works.

I guess I'm just old...

Slackware is a bit different now that you only need to download a DVD and then pretty much all the software you want is installed, and most of the time software that isn't installed has a slackbuild which is pretty easy to install with its dependencies.

Ubuntu however is easier and works fine for me.

I've been testing Fedora for the past couple of weeks. My reason for considering a switch is my tiring with the serious regressions that I've encountered with every Ubuntu release. I know, the grass is always greener, but I feel I ought to give it a try.

I'm also wary of Shuttleworth's commercializing of Ubuntu. I have no problem with a benevolent dictator, but Shuttleworth aim isn't benevolent.

No, I will wait a week or so, so servers don't get clogged.

question: how does the ubuntu upgrade process work? do you reinstall everything from scratch? or can you just apt-get your way to a new release?

apt-get alone doesn't do the necessary bootstrapping. The ubuntu upgrade manager should have a special upgrade option that appears, which does a bit more than a plain apt-get and does the trick.

You don't do a full reinstall unless you want to. Just run 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' in a terminal. (not 'apt-get update' nor 'apt-get upgrade')

Or start the Ubuntu Update Manager (System -> Admin -> Update Manager), which will display an option to dist-upgrade when one is available.

dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade the distribution: The difference between dist and normal upgrade is that normal upgrade will not install new packages if required, it will only update existing packages.

You have to use some other commands to get an actual Ubuntu version upgrade (I don't know them, but you seem to have the GUI version down.)

Ah you're right, thanks. In fact dist-upgrade should be avoided since it can apparently break dependencies.

After a little digging, the command line to upgrade to the newest Ubuntu version is:

%> sudo apt-get update

%> sudo apt-get install update-manager-core

%> sudo do-release-upgrade

I have recently switched from Ubuntu(95%)+Vista(5%) to 100% Ubuntu so my computer is pretty green to worry of any problems. I am looking forward to wait in the server-line for the new release

Upgrading all my VirtualBox machines right now. :)

Yep. I always enjoy upgrading.

Already did. No issues

Yes. Sounds like fun.

Just did.

i did and i have been having gui issues ever since

LTS+1 seems to be a tough release for Ubuntu, since they hold back on letting bleeding stuff through on the LTS.

11.04 should have fewer bugs and major changes, I would THINK.

no I'm still running windows 7.

I do not see any point on down-voting this comment

Off topic, not relevant to the question (which presumes you're already running a prior version of Ubuntu which can be upgraded to 10.10).

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