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I didn't remember hearing about choline before.. I'm vegan so I looked into it.[0] "Humans make a small amount of choline in the liver. ..no reports of choline deficiency in the general population... the choline made by the body (assuming a dietary intake of zero) may be enough" There are many plant sources. So not sure why you're saying choline can't be gotten from vegan sources. That seems both untrue and misleading (It seems nobody may need to get choline from food sources)

B12 is a different matter, but as it seems a standard additive to soy milk, which I often have on breakfast cereal, I've never worried about that either.

No supplements needed. (Anecdata: I've been going strong for almost 30 years of vegan diet)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choline#Dietary_sources_of_cho...

I didn't say choline cannot be gotten from vegan foods. I'm saying, rather, that I was conservative in my sources for daily recommended micronutrient amounts, and the amount of choline those sources recommended were impossible to obtain from food sources given in the USDA database, which is the international standard for the nutrient composition of foods.

As an example of such a source, see tsmoctl's first link in this same thread to a US Department of Health & Human Services article on choline. Its authorship alone would have justified choline's inclusion in my database, though I acknowledge the National Institutes of Health may not be correct in their assertion.

One can be micronutrient deficient and still be athletic or observably healthy. Nutrient deficiency is not a guarantee of disease; it merely increases the likelihood of disease. Or you may be right about choline, and the NIS may well be wrong.

EDIT: I consider food additives to be supplements, such as vitamin B12 to soy milk. If you don't, then our disagreement on the point of vegans requiring supplements is a semantic one.

> Humans make a small amount of choline in the liver.

I thought old “Element 17” was made by fusion in stars.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_nucleosynthesis

<Oops: choline not chlorine!>

It's "choline", not "chlorine".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choline

That’s “chlorine”, not to be confused with “choline”

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