I was kind of hoping HN was the sort of place where I could ask that without being jumped on as some sort of anti-Apple instigator.
Some people are upvoting, so yay. Maybe it is. :)
In order to say that Apple didn't come up with the idea behind the iPod or the iPhone, you have to generalize the category to the point that it was painfully obvious to anybody even remotely aware of what's going on in the industry. MP3 players are an obvious idea to anybody who has heard of the Walkman and knows that computers can store and play music. The idea of using a tiny hard drive in one is similarly obvious. So is the idea of making a phone that can surf the web and also be an MP3 player.
When people praise Apple's ingenuity with the iPhone and iPod, they are referring to the fact that almost everything other than the most fundamental idea was revolutionary or at least clever. In other words, every aspect of the product that actually affects its success in the marketplace was invented or re-invented.
I want to, but I was looking forward to hitting 200, and now it's pretty far off.
I've upvoted most of your comments in this thread: While they are not brilliant in my book, they are not bad either. And certainly not bad enough to deserve large negatives.
But you have a lot more posts and time in here, so you've got a clearer perspective.