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As a co-founder of a China-focused startup this is fantastic news for me.

Finding good partners who you can personally trust has and will continue to be the key to survival when interacting with China.

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Here’s an article from a while ago about Chinese business culture: http://www.chinafile.com/reporting-opinion/postcard/bro-code

Have you ever experienced anything of the like? How is beind involved in Chinese startups as a non-native? (I’m assuming based on your post)

Minimal trust of strangers is #1. There can be a lot of drinking baijiu and long parties not talking about business at all.

Can you reference success stories where this is the case, especially in regards to surviving without needing to be part of their system of censorship?

LEGO worked with Kidsland for a few years.

You are making a grave mistake methinks. Those who sought power by riding the back of the tiger, ended up inside.

What I am saying is I don't trust the Chinese government to respect the human rights of my employees,the human rights of my customers, or my property rights.

The chinese government is a repressive, totalitarian, arbitrary, capricious, cruel regime; fundamentally incompatible with human dignity and freedom. The foundations of the chinese government are mortared with millions of bodies.

you are willing to compromise whatever moral beliefs you have-in exchange for what? for some money? for some prestige?

Is it worth it?

Mostly all of the hits you take at China can also be said about the United States business, employer, & employee atmosphere. It's just everyday global unchecked Capitalism. Wait until we see the effects of the new Supreme Court heading into a new Lochner Era.

Chomsky points out that going to work in America is akin to walking into a Communist Dictatorship where you lose all of your rights [1].

[1] https://taibbi.substack.com/p/preface-an-interview-with-noam...

When was the last time the USG nationalized an industry?

shouldn't it be the last time the oligarchs took over an industry?

Even the worst accusations against the US do not go so far as to say that it is less free than China - the proposed oligarchs are plural, but China is now a dictatorship.

Criticizing china does not mean I do not criticize the actions of the United States.

nice tu quoque.

why is it that any china related topic always springs up weird throwaways dedicated to criticizing China in some form? I get that you want to criticize China, and that's fine, but can you at least have the courage to do it on your main account lol

I deleted my main account recently-too much time spent on the HN/reddit.

I would not currently express beliefs like this on something that could be tied to my meatspace identity. I am an academic in a department with lots of international students and while I am not now prominent-I could become prominent and anyone with both eyes open knows how the chinese government responds to external or internal criticism.

I would be in the future be willing to accept that type of attack-but not over an HN comment.

Silicon Valley already fails here, with Apple supporting Foxconn's human rights nightmare.

Your concerns are valid, but the idea of simply doubling down on Silicon Valley's US companies doesn't ring true.

The US has built its empire on the foundations of Chinese manufacturing, and now there's the panic coming because that foundation will enable China to build it's own tech industry that will likely outcompete the USs.

China has the capability to build the hardware, but is that really the future? Apple is one of the only American companies that is still doing well with hardware. Most tech hardware always becomes commoditized and unprofitable.

Is there really much hand wringing going on about China building their own stuff? They've been copy catting for decades.

We've banned this account for using HN primarily for political battle. Nationalistic flamewar is particularly not ok here. And boy has it been upticking lately.

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