...and? If UBI replaces money obtained from crime, then does the overall social cost rise or diminish?

We have a decent social security system in my country, and as I often like to tell well-off people whinging about their taxes being given to the "spongers" - social security keeps society secure against poor people.

Or maybe free from the stressess of poverty they will finally have the stability to get clean.

I hope UBI goes into these places. It will end a lot of misery and give people an escape ladder out of that world.

Please don't take HN on offtopic tangents unless it's in a little-discussed and curious direction. The last thing we need is for threads to get sucked into the black holes of generic flamewar topics.