Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose
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He manages harvesting and marketing for the Mercer Slough Blueberry Farm, which is run by the city of Bellevue, and he fills the rest of his schedule volunteering for Special Olympics events, teaching for the Kiwanis Educated Youth Club and organizing donation drives from local grocery stores.
Kids if somebody offers you Newtonian mechanics - just say no!
The insurance company could have said "hey you chose to be rear ended". Instead they paid up without quibbling and called him a hero in the process.
But I agree, they could have been assholes about it, but instead took the honorable route.
Of course, this would not work well if the other vehicle was substantially heavier (best indicated by the number and size of tires). You would have a difficult time stopping a tractor trailer with a minivan, possibly causing your brakes to fail or your tires to melt.
s/less/greater/
I guess people got the gist anyway.
He passed out because his circulation was poor, which I take to mean that his foot was resting on the accelerator, not that he was pushing it to floor.
The brakes in the SUV in front are dimensioned for that SUV and I assume those brakes are not worse than the ones in the truck behind it.
Consider some advice from my driver's ed teacher long ago: "Some folks may have 4 wheel drive, but everybody has 4 wheel stop."
So we have two vehicles duking it out high speed (where braking power >> acceleration power already). It's probably no contest. But at worst, it's a high mass minivan with 4 wheels saying "stop" in a friction-with-the-pavement contest with a medium mass pickup with (probably) 2 wheels saying "go".
The minivan should win handily. Even if the pickup has it floored the whole time.
For example, the guy was passed out - the initial impact could have knocked the other driver's foot off the gas, or cause it to press harder, further worsening the situation.
Also, if the bumpers didn't match, or if the angle of impact was not totally flat, you could easily end up in a "jackknife" style situation where the rear car pushes the front car at an angle causing it to loose traction and knocking both off course.
Not to write off his quick thinking, but I would be hesitant to try repeating this.
C'mon, seriously? The article is an up-beat account of how things can go right. How under pressure someone made a necessarily quick decision to take action rather than sit on the sidelines and watch as an observer. Do you really think anyone sane-minded individual is going to come away from this article thinking to themselves, "Man, next time I'm on the highway I need to give this a shot"?
That's the kind of fire this guy was playing with, for his life, the life of his family, the life of the other driver and all the bystanders.
Not to understate his heroism, but had this gone horribly wrong he'd probably be a Darwin award candidate.
Colliding at a relative speed of only a few miles per hour and then hitting the brakes allowed Innes to dissipate that energy in a more controlled way. Risky, certainly, but I don't think it's as risky as you think it is.
edit: as an analogy, think about landing a spaceship on a meteorite - it may be moving fast enough to wipe out civilisation as we know it if it hit Earth, but you could still safely stand on its surface. Relative velocity is key.
You're off by a factor of 1000. It's 62.9 grams of TNT: http://www.google.com/search?q=%280.5+*+%2840+mph%29%5E2+*+2...
Thanks for the correction!
Think about the damage done by a crashing minivan. Enough to bend some metal, maybe even knock down a small brick wall. But a 70 kg TNT bomb would easily blow the car into many pieces.
Alternatively, how much fuel does it take to accelerate your van from a standstill to 40 mph? A tiny fraction of a litre, which is why you could do it hundreds of times on a tank of gas. Is that tiny fraction of a litre of gasoline going to be energetically equivalent to 70 kg of TNT?
I helps to know that TNT has roughly one tenth the energy density of petrol (4 MJ/kg v. 40 MJ/kg). If it took 7 kg of fuel just to accelerate a vehicle to 40 mph, vehicles would have to carry vastly more fuel than they do.
I have been in a similar situation, and I can tell you: your mettle is tested. You have a tiny amount of time to make a decision, so little that it almost comes down to your instincts. You have enough time to make an assessment of what kind of fallout is about to occur for all parties involved, and your main concern is, hopefully, to minimize the damage.
Sure, you may not have all the information at hand to make a perfect decision, and few of us can say to have any reliable precognitive power. You have what you always have in life: some information and the ability to make a choice.
Let not fear stay your hand. Fear kills as easily as a heart condition. It can always go horribly wrong, but when something appears by sound reasoning to be inevitable, will you have the courage to intervene?
http://blog.jgc.org/2010/10/you-never-think-youll-have-to-do...
In the OP the guy used the information he had to make a fast decision. The toughest thing in the situation I encountered was the moment I realized his heart had stopped and needed to decide right then to take action.
It's not heroic if the stakes aren't high.
more like "Innes kicked into irresponsible mode risking other people's lives to try something he probably saw on a movie"
1. Drive infront
2. Match the speed
3. Slowly reduce speed so that the car behind knocks
into your back bumper at a relative speed of like
1 mph. Maybe you feel a tiny bump.
4. Apply brakes
Yes it's impressive, but I'd be willing to bet it's not that dangerous at all. The very very worst case scenario is that you don't match the speed very well and get rear ended, which is pretty much the best type of crash you can have.- breaks are not even across the wheels, he spins and goes right back into the traffic, guy behind falls over after driving the other way into the barrier
- collision affects one of the front wheels of the car behind, that car turns into the traffic - minivan either separates or gets locked due to collision
- engine in minivan stalls after collision, break assist stop working, simply pressing the pedal is not enough to stop both cars
- due to the shape of cars' front and back, the car in the front gets hit and one of the wheels get locked, suddenly breaks; the car in the back has enough kinetic energy to hit and injure passengers sitting in the back
- ... I could go forever
As in other posts above - I don't want to say it was stupid / bad that he tried... It worked, everyone's fine, it's great. But for me, my family in the car is infinitely more important than potential damage that might be caused by an unknown person in an car that's under no control.
If it looks like it's not going to work, you just speed up again...
I'm glad someone remembered this. Saving someone else might be a good thing, but saving your own family is definitely heroic.
Don't laugh: I learned how to shift w/o a working clutch from an article in Motor Trend and it came in handy one day.
The moment you have other people in your vehicle you're _responsible_ for their lives. Now everyone is cheering because it worked out but it could have easily ended up as a [Retard] tag on Fark.
Yes, it's great that he did it, and that he took fast action to save a life. It really is; it's a great story! But a down-to-earth comment is not worth downmodding over; it is neither wrong nor irrelevant.
Also, the concrete median the truck had bounced off of ends just before Grady Way. It's likely the guy would've either crossed traffic at Grady Way or moved into oncoming traffic. Either way, there's a high likelihood of serious injury or fatality stemming from an out-of-control vehicle moving through that intersection.
(I'm a big fan of public transit, and use it every day. But I always look around me when the train is approaching, or get my back to the wall.)
He manages the F22 fighter jet program at Boeing. That means that he's in charge of building gigantic killing machines that are only built so that they can be used to kill or threaten to kill human beings.
This man did an incredible thing on the road and I'm not trying to diminish that. But he's not a 100% good person: he works with weapons fully knowing that his work has probably resulted in many deaths of innocent people.
Edit: Hey downvoters, I'm being totally serious here. Please reply to me and we can have a discussion; downvoting my opinions silently (because you disagree? or you think I'm trolling? or you don't like what I'm saying?) is rude and not good for the community.
Also, please (re-)read the HN guidelines.
So don't point your finger at this guy, if you have a problem with fighter jets then you need to change the country itself. That is through politics and the military. To me he is just an aerospace engineer that works on the F-22, I see no problem with that.
Especially considering the F-22 is barely used and is mostly a weapon to deal with other jets that don't even exist yet. If you are working on biological, nuclear, or chemical weaopns than I'd have problems with it, but something like a missile or a rifle or a tank isn't that ethically bad because we already have plenty of weapons just like them. The advances in technology just allows the military to do things more precisely. If you have a choice between a guided missile to hit a house, or an artillery barrage to level a block, which would you rather have? Engineers enabled the former.
1) it's off topic. It's like if there was a thread about a Marine saving a kid's life at a pool using such-and-such technique and you went off about how Marines are trained to kill and therefore the guy sucks.
2) Even if the thread was about F22 as a weapon, your comment displays remarkable ignorance of what the platform is used for. It's an air superiority fighter; you use it to shoot other fighter aircraft, whose occupants are typically military personnel actively engaged in warfare, not "innocents". And as far as I can tell, it's never been involved in actual combat. So your claim that his work "probably resulted in many deaths of innocent people" is completely off base.
3) I have friends who have worked on this and similar platforms, who are also good people. They all know that their systems are designed to kill, have thought through the ethical and philosophical ramifications of that (as well as the ramifications of deterrence, of Russia or China winning a global war, etc.), and have decided that what they're doing is a good thing. You may not agree with them, but at least have the decency to address them on an adult level instead of with naive platitudes like they're not good because they work on weapons. That's not the sort of statement I expect from someone looking to have a reasoned discussion. (In comparison, my Mennonite friends and military friends have had some very good, mature, respectful conversations about this topic, without making personal attacks like "you're not a good person".)
In summary: your post was off topic, factually incorrect, and moderately trollish. I'd say that is rude and not good for the community.
It's an interesting problem space, and with many challenges.
Yes, Boeing, Northrop Grumman & Lockheed Martin number among our customers, and our software is used in these programs.
So do NASA and various other companies putting things up into space, things orthogonal to defense.
By your logic, because our software makes it simpler and cheaper to manufacture F-22s and F-35s, I am in some small way culpable as well.
It's the use to which a tool is put.
Do you pay taxes to a country involved in warfare? Do you eat meat? Do you drive a gasoline powered vehicle? Etc etc etc.
Note the above are just examples of things some people are opposed to, not necessarily me personally (in fact I do all of those things)
Warfare before the advent of nuclear weapons was a devastatingly bloody affair, with death tolls in the hundreds of thousands. And warfare these days in which only one side or neither has nuclear weapons is much the same.
But when two nuclear powers fight? There are skirmishes. Proxy wars. Posturing and arms races and diplomacy and . . . very little bloodshed. For all its terror and danger and struggle, the Cold War did not wipe out an entire generation of young men the way previous World Wars had. As violent and bloody a past as India and Pakistan have had, once they both went nuclear, they settled down. They still fight, but it's limited. Neither side wants it to escalate out of control.
That is the nature of strategic weapons. Nobody wants to pick a fight with a country that has ICBMs or B-52s. Heck, countries that have them don't want to pick fights with each other. What could they hope to win that would offset the staggering losses they could incur?
As they say, an armed society is a polite society. It scales right up to nations.
Raptor is such a weapon. Not because of the casualties it could inflict -- it can carry only a paltry eight missiles, or a couple medium bombs -- but because of what it does to an air force.
The Air Force periodically goes out for large force exercises -- where they get a huge number of jets together in the air, and act out something as close to a real war as they can. The last few years Raptor's been going to those, and its numbers are astonishing. They match up Red with tons of 4 or 4.5 gen fighters against Blue with a few 4 gen fighters and a few Raptors. And Blue wins. With a kill ratio like 180-0 or 241-2. [1]
Nobody wants to pick a fight with that.
There are two ways to get a country to resolve its conflicts with you peacefully. One is to trust in their good nature and dislike for bloodshed. The other is to make fighting not an option. The second route is more reliable in my opinion, and strategic weapons accomplish it.
If you hate war, you should love Raptor. Just sitting on the tarmac, it saves lives. American lives, yeah, but Chinese or North Korean or Russian lives too. It prevents war and forces people to pursue peace.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor#Service_history