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Given you are calling Sargon and Count Dankula alt-right shows how little you know about them.

I think it's fair to say that Benjamin is somewhere in the alt-right nebula: Anti-feminism, UKIP, 4chan, anti-"political correctness"... If it quacks like a duck

Alt-right is defined by its identity politics. Anti-feminism is not anti-women's-rights. Stuff you are listing (minus UKIP) is shared by everyone to the right of the progressives. Including liberals.

alt-right is right wing identity politics.

Sargon is anti identity politics and a classic, free speech pro-capitalist liberal. I'm not sure where you take your information from

People just have to look at the politicians and parties he's supporting. For example in the last French presidential election he opposed the pro-capitalist liberal (redundant as liberals are by definition pro-capitalism). I wonder what's his opinion on the Brazil one. A moderate social democrat vs. fascist belonging to a party called the "Social Liberal Party"?

He's not even a good source of information as his 3 hours long videos consist of Wikipedia articles he glanced through and repeating extreme right-wing conspiracies (Cultural Marxism, the terrorist attack at the Unite the Right rally).

(Also the only decent anti-idpol people are Marxists.)

“A moderated social democrat” who defends Venezuelan and Cuban dictators and who is running (admittedly!) as a puppet for a convicted corrupt politician who he plans to put out of jail. And the other guy is the fascist?

You are either misinformed about the situation in Brazil or being deliberately misleading.

cultural marxism is an extreme right wing view?

The term "liberal" has changed in the minds of people, my friend. Liberals are now synonymous with left wingers, who are NOT pro-capitalist.

The US is not the whole world. In Europe, liberalism is synonym to «market liberalism».

Why then is so much of his YouTube channel complaining about feminists?

People really should check the Wikipedia before downvoting comments like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

The alt-right is a loosely connected and somewhat ill-defined - (summery).

The Associated Press advises its journalists to not use the term without providing an internal definition, due to its vagueness. They described the "alt-right" label as "currently embraced by some white supremacists and white nationalists" that "may exist primarily as a public-relations device to make its supporters' actual beliefs less clear and more acceptable to a broader audience". - Etymology and scope

Both funkythings and namdnay comment above assert statements to what alt-right is and who belongs to it that the wikipedia article do not. Labeling anti-"political correctness" as alt-right is not supported. Journalist Mike Wendling says that alt-right share the view of anti-"political correctness" with chan culture, but that is as far as the wikipedia article is willing to go.

It literally says in the article they are identitarians. Therefore my statement about identity politics is correct

Today I learned that I am alt-right for disliking identity politics.

I'd say what is typical of the alt-right is not that they dislike 'identity politics' (the discourse as a whole, so including right and left), but rather that they actively take a stand and engage in being anti-'identity politics'.

I know tons of people who mostly just steer clear of identity politics altogether, both left and right. But it's only the alt-right people I know, along with a chunk of the left, who seem to really invest in the whole discussion.

Your description doesn't match with Wikipedias in the slightest. I think you should update it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

(The description mentions Richard Spencer promoting the term, someone who Sargon has debated against - him and his position).

> anti-"political correctness"

News flash, the vast majority of Americans are anti-"political correctness."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majo...

The vast majority of Americans lean right with their politicians so that's not exactly surprising.

The democrats won the popular vote in 2016. Not sure what you're talking about

What makes you think the US Democratic Party is left-leaning?

They are positively conservative by global standards.

Mark Meechan is the guy who was prosecuted for using a dog as a prop in an anti-semitic video: http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/8/1962/PF-v-Mark-Meecha...

Did you even watch the video? The VERY FIRST thing he said was "turn it (his girlfriends dog) into the most unfunny thing I could think of...a Nazi". This was a joke, nothing more, nothing less.

Now, the real scandal was that the courts just assumed his intent and just assumed he wanted to harass jews. Which is ridiculous.

Did you read the court report?

Yes, reminded me the communist show-trials in the 1950s.

They said "WE decide what is YOUR intent and context". Unbelievable.

Not true - it is a strict liability offense meaning neither intent or context were relevant for a conviction.

(The purpose of such offenses was so, for example, companies couldn't say "I didn't intend to break the tax laws so please reduce my sentence")

James Mathews of Sky News said exactly the same phrase in the interview with Dankula. He wasn't tried.

This is practical demonstration than intent and context matter. The other explanation would be, that the law is selectively enforced. Which is worse?

And what was his intent? Courts just ignored his statements. and the video made clear that is was comedic intent.

What do you think his intent was?

I think that Dankula's intent was the one that the video made clear - comedy.

Mathews didn't realize what he did, when he cited Dankula in the interview, until Dankula pointed it out.

I mean, the law _is_ selectively enforced, and it's the CPS' job to decide who to prosecute. That's not so much a legal issue as a social/structure and purpose of police issue.

Moreover in terms of the general law and how that law should or shouldn't be written, I can only recommend this discussion which is more detailed than any discussion we could have here and a more informed source:

http://barristerblogger.com/2018/03/24/its-time-to-change-th...

I did. Like I said they assumed his intent, which is exactly the opposite to what courts are supposed to do. Do you really think posting a "grossly offensive video on the internet" is enough to get you fined? People are offended all the time. Would you react the same way if Nazis were triggered by Antifa videos?

Did you watch the video? Do you honestly think he hates Jews. Honest question

A little bit of German is on-topic, methinks:

https://twitter.com/janboehm/status/948192229218291714

I lost all respect for Boehmermann after he released his twitter block list, and just lumped in every journalist to the right of himself with real Nazis. He's part of the problem

So I looked. Every journalist, you say. I didn't see the names of any FAZ journalists. Would you say the entire staff of FAZ is to the left of Böhmermann? Or perhaps I didn't look hard enough. I admit I didn't spend very long.

Ok, "every" was a little hyperbolic...my bad. This is what I know about it, mainly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icjwbn85CUs

Take it with a grain of salt. But I find this behaviour from a state sponsored journalist worrying.

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