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I was a big Tesla fan until-

>A Tesla recruiter called me, high pressure tried to get me to move to California, ending in- "So you don't want to do anything important with your life?"

>Elon's marketing team spam reddit and manip upvotes. This was my first wakeup call that we were being tricked

>That Tesla =/= getting to Mars in 2023.

>The Chevy Bolt was car of the year. Tesla's will be unreliable for ~10 years until they work out design related issues. (This is unavoidable for every new car company)

>The horrid conditions of employees, seems like we are taking a step back in employee conditions in favor of 'progress'.

>Manipulation of news, numbers, etc... make the company seem unethical.

I still have Elon as my wallpaper, with a motivation phrase telling me to "Get to work". But I've sobered up, he was a cult of personality.

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You forgot

* They track everything about the vehicles, including GPS. You have no privacy when driving in a Tesla.

* The cars have extensive DRM.

* Automatic remote updates that can, and sometimes do, brick the car.

And when the car kills you, they pick and choose some data to make public, to try to show it was in fact your fault. No thanks.

Yep and that list could be much longer. I was a Tesla fan a year ago. Now I think Elon deserves to go bankrupt, even though I think this company understands and cares about UX more than any of their major competitors.

I'd hope that "So you don't want to do anything important with your life?" wasn't in a script, and was an individual recruiter being a manipulative asshole - and once this was found out about by management (and hopefully they investigated and could find out who said it) the recruiter was then told to not say such thing again - and fired if they did.

I can't really reply to anything else you posted, there's reasonable counter-points to all of it. You shouldn't blindly trust any one source of course, and excitement/emotion for someone or an organization doing something good can prevent use from critical thinking. At the same time, it's important to understand what it means for a company to be the most shorted stock in history - and the amount of effort, and financial gain, that will come to people purposely trying to put down Tesla et al.

Good can come from this process if everyone involved is being reasonable. Is it good that someone who asked for an ambulance to go to the hospital, instead after an assessment by an onsite doctor, were said to take a Lyft? It clearly wasn't life threatening in that doctor's eyes to require the life-stabilizing ability/necessity of an ambulance - I suppose that person sharing their story might not be talking to us then today. Likewise, is the issue that Tesla is purposefully trying to avoid "an ambulance being called" to avoid a log in OSHA records? I doubt it, however this does highlight that the processes and requirements for OSHA likely need to be updated: so that if there are on-site doctors who do an assessment, then that also gets into the log. I imagine it's more likely an incomplete/inadequate process of reporting because how many work places have on-site doctors 24/7? Not very many I'm guessing.

In my opinion they’re the most shorted stock in history because their fundamentals don’t justify their huge valuation. Elon Musk’s cult of personality has encouraged investors to over-value the company in spite of some severe problems.

I remember you recently commenting trying to argue that Elon Musk has the same values as Donald Trump when it comes to the truth, so I'm going not going to trust your judgement here.

The biggest short in history aligns well with many people not having the critical thinking ability to understand all of the facets to what Elon is doing and has already done - if you look at the whole ecosystem, which I won't write out to argue for here - though I have in the past in comments. Many people invest on short-term trends and don't have the ability to actually understand from founding principles; e.g. it's why they're building a Gigafactory for batteries, to knock the cost of battery production down by 50% - and unless competitors all start trying to do the same, they're going to have higher battery costs - and so can't compete as strongly on price as Tesla can, etc.

>I can't really reply to anything else you posted, there's reasonable counter-points to all of it.

The reason these things have happened is due to the insane pressure from upper management.

Sure they can fire the guy who tried recruiting me, but that person was likely under insane pressure to get new bodies to replace the many people who left Tesla.

There is a reason these things are happening.

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