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Point 2: Apple has a great deal of influence to kill a great deal. Recently they depreciated Java on the Mac.

How many $30 desktop apps will you sell if users also have to download a 200MB Java runtime?

Don't fool yourself, Apple has to power to drive adoption (USB) or kill it (Flash, Jave, et al).

Since they don't own Java, they can't "deprecate" it. They are just ditching their own implementation of Java. According to them, because release cycles of Mac OS X and Java don't match, thus Java being generally a couple of versions late on the Mac.

Windows don't ship with Java preinstalled and it isn't that big of a deal, people install it the first time they need it and that's it.

That's what is going to happen on the Mac.

Maybe, I'm mistaken but when I think of desktop Java apps pretty much the only significant ones that I come up with are IntelliJ (which I use) and Eclipse. And I'd much prefer something native to the resource hogging of IntelliJ.

I don't think they're killing off a big industry by ditching java on the mac. It's just potentially going to make things more of a pain for those of us who write server-side java code on our Macs. Do you think their move will have an effect on that industry?

Cyberduck is a very popular FTP client for the Mac, and Vuze is a fairly popular Bittorrent client on all platforms.

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