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If YouTube is unwilling to pass along the information, as the parent says, then who are you going to file suit against? You’ll have to sue an unknown person and get a court order to get YouTube to turn over the person’s name. That’s an expensive start to aprocess with an unknown end. Isn’t it even possible the person isn’t in the US? Then you’ve thrown away your money.

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It’s really not that hard to do. People do sometimes overestimate how hard it is to do basic legal tasks.

Filing a simple John Doe summons in your home jurisdiction and then sending a subpoena to YouTube for the offending contact information is pretty trivial. You could probably find someone to do it for you for a thousand bucks or less.

Admittedly that’s not free but in a context like this with real money at stake it’s not a huge obstacle.

And what do you do when you go through all of that time and effort (and potential expense) and get the very likely outcome that the claimant is not in your home jurisdiction?

Jurisdiction isn’t simply determined by where the opponent is. There’s nuance to this but you can typically sue and gain jurisdiction in any venue that has a nexus to the business activity in question. Given that YouTube is global there’s probably a lot of places you could find a valid venue. California almost certainly being one of them.

You might have trouble getting the opponent to cooperate but if your ultimate goal is to get YouTube to do something then that could work just fine.

Again, clearly legal action isn’t easy but people seem too inclined to throw up their hands instantly.

Learning how to take basic legal action is just a core part of running a business, and someone earning from YouTube at this level is indeed doing just that.

I'm not sure why you're singling out California, is that where the claimant is in this case? Or are you referring to YouTube?

My (and the GPs) question was: let's say, following the filing of the requisite legal documents and the accompanying fees if any, you receive the contact information of the claimant from YouTube. You are in Germany. The claimant's address is in Turkmenistan. What are you meant to do next?

Even if the defendant is in the U.S., they may have no significant income or assets from which you could recover damages or legal fees.

A lot of people have personal liability umbrella policies... However probably not the kinds of people that would do this.

Why have we made it so easy for crime in this country.

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