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Rant:

Everyone who has put at least a little bit of thought into UI design knew from the beginning that flat design is bad.

But no, it is 2019 and we still have scrollbars and buttons that are barely visible. Just because Google and Microsoft unreasonably decided to do it that way and every other one blindely copies that (because how can a those big, big companies be possibly wrong?). Fuck accessibility, even though we serve billions of customers on a daily basis.

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Simplification. I know what my scroll bar looks like and prefer it not to have multiple borders and shadows. It's easier on my eyes and mind.

(I don't love everything about "flat design", but not everything needs to be super skeumorphic)

Makes sense: a scrollbar is super common and isn't something you interact with directly that often because there are alternatives (swiping, or on a pc the scroll wheel, up/down, pg up/down). But most other controls don't have that many alternatives and/or don't nearly always appear in the same position so then some actual visual recognition is needed. Of which the results are described in this and other papers.

Agreed. There is some value in slight hints through gradients or borders.

Ideally we could all choose our preferred themes like we can with GTK.

I have a rather cheap monitor (as many other people probably have) and I can barely make out the grip of the scrollbars when I don't sit straight in front of the display. What about people with bad eye sight or colour-blindness? I am sure they have even more trouble than I have.

Windows 10 does BTW not allow to change the scrollbar colours even though it was possible in most older Windows versions. They simply don't care about accessability and userability these days.

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