Hundreds of TSA screeners, working without pay, calling out sick at airports
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It's probably in airlines best interests to have security anyway - after all of the high profile (but extraordinarily rare) terror attacks, people are probably more apt to fly with some type of security.
So now you are saying we have a system where sometimes they catch you and they just take the stuff as part of a system where sometimes you just get through with your stuff... so there is no penalty to having some people try over and over again... if the goal is to actually stop stuff getting through then this is all pointless.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cntraveler.com/story/tsa-fa...
Those aren’t great odds. What about a truly determined enemy? Or someone that gets a job at the airport to leverage their access?
It’s theater.
It’s true that TSA security has been foiled by various “red team” exercises, sometimes in comical/embarrassing fashion. And, there is probably bloat in the agency, as well as problems with the contracting process for companies selling equipment. No one likes having to take off their shoes, myself included. Maybe policies around liquids and gels should be revisited.
At the same time, I think it’s unknowable how a return to pre-9/11 airport security would fare in today’s world; namely a world where private companies were “responsible” for screening, with the FAA providing oversight. See for example: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/27/911.commis.knife/.
> “At the time of the attacks, commission staffers testified, the FAA prohibited passengers from boarding aircraft with knifes having blades longer than 4 inches, tear gas, mace and similar chemicals.
> Except for guns, large knives, explosives and incendiaries, carriers and screening contractors were allowed to use "common sense" in determining what was prohibited on planes, the staffers said.”
In today’s world, I’m not sure leaving airport security to the “free market” is necessarily a good idea. If there are new types of explosives, will private companies be able/willing to buy new equipment to deal with “improbable” threats?
TSA also deploys agents around the world to screen flights coming inbound to the US that originate in countries that can’t necessarily perform their own screenings. Do we expect private companies to pay Americans to live abroad? Or will they rely on poorly paid locals to do the job, maybe without background checks (if it’s even possible).
From a game theoretic perspective, I think it’s reasonable to assume that TSA provides some deterrent effect. Stringent security procedures do reduce the action/choice set of would-be terrorists. Post-9/11 flights within the US, and to the US, have not been affected by terrorist attacks, incompetent shoe and underwear bombers aside.
Ancillary to the job that TSA does, do you object to heavily armed police or military at airports? Because incidents like these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_bombings, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Atat%C3%BCrk_Airport_atta..., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Frankfurt_Airport_shootin..., do happen.
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FWIW, in Israel, the security process is far more stringent. You have pre-airport physical checks, interviews, passing of luggage through pressurized chambers etc. If you fly El-Al anywhere in the world, there is an extra headache associated with additional screening. But, the record of an El-Al (0 successful hijackings) leads many who travel to Israel to choose El-Al.
TL;DR, everyone wishes there was a way to have secure flights, without having to undergo invasive screenings.
Taking off my shoes and having some random guy/gal check me out on mm nude-vision honestly doesn't bother me much.
Improving either of these would raise ticket prices. If you want more luxury, pay for a first class ticket.
> frequent delays and cancellations
Shit happens. Bad weather, human error, random acts of God. Airlines aren't delaying or cancelling flights on purpose. What do you want them to do differently here?
> constant fees for every little thing
Again, the fees are there because the tickets are so cheap. Look at the airlines who don't have fees - like Southwest. Their ticket prices are always slightly higher than the competing airlines - like United - that do have fees.
[1] - https://thepointsguy.com/2017/12/airline-profits-record-38-b... kinda outdated, but I had problems finding reports on profitability over time.
[2] - https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/011215/airline-indu...
[3] - https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherelliott/2018/10/07/t... - point being that airlines could offer better service, but don't because there's no financial incentive to do so. This is where regulation needs to step in to fix broken incentives.
It's not just luxury, it's also safety, though I blame regulators here. The minimum standards are demonstrably laughable if you look at the details about testing "safe" evacuations.
> Shit happens. Bad weather, human error, random acts of God. Airlines aren't delaying or cancelling flights on purpose. What do you want them to do differently here?
Several things:
* Staff appropriately so that pilots don't run so close to the edge of their allowed hours that a small delay results in a cancellation because they've been on duty too long.
* More/better preventative maintenance. Airplanes are flown way too long with equipment MEL'd down to no redundancy, then the airline acts surprised when the no-longer-redundant thing also fails.
* More slack in general. I know it's not reasonable to expect them to waste planes sitting in hangers at every spokes, but a few planes kept in reserve at major hubs would go a long way to preventing massive knock-on delays. For that matter, so would extra gate crews, so planes aren't bottlenecked there as well.
* End/outlaw overbooking entirely.
Either that, or it's impossible for someone with $85 and a clean background check to commit terrorist acts.
The "protocol" changes constantly, sometimes even in the course of a single trip through security. My last flight, which was during the shutdown, had a TSA officer take over his coworker. The coworker had been telling us to keep food in bags; this guy told us to take it all out. I've also had an officer tell me to "remove anything electronic" from my body, but "to keep my watch on". My watch was a smart watch, of course; there is literally no way to comply with that direction. (I've taken to just removing these prior to getting there, after this absurd incident.)
TSA agents do all of the above as a matter of course.
If someone gropes a frightened child's genitals, that is an act of evil even if they were ordered to do it by their boss.
Yes.
>Some jobs simply make the world a worse place.
Sure, agreed. It does not follow, however, that the people who (have to) work those jobs are categorically terrible.
A Government job is historically seen as a "safe" income. These employees (whatever you think of their job's worth) are currently out of pay with no idea when they'll be paid again.
Given how many American's live paycheck to paycheck, it's not a stretch to imagine that there's kids out there going hungry tonight because of this failure.
Is there something that makes a TSA employee different from, say, a food service sector employee?
That's certainly not how I want my tax dollars to be spent and I'm not sure most people would either if the question was explicitly posed this way.
The jobs they have now should be eliminated.
This line is hilarious...
"Hundreds of Transportation Security Administration officers, who are required to work without paychecks through the partial government shutdown..."
Edit to add info, answer the followup question and less snark...
Yes, they're considered to be essential but they aren't getting paid because the 2019 TSA budget wasn't approved yet. Some other dept's were approved already and do have budget, etc. As usual with a big org like that, it depends. But the original article sure doesn't explain why.
"Excepted employees include employees who are performing emergency work involving the safety of human life or the protection of property or performing certain other types of excepted work."
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/furlough...
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/employee-relations...
But the short answer seems to be (from a cursory skim) that they are considered AWOL and that this is a reprimand/PIP/firing kind of situation. Same thing as just not showing up for work. They're not allowed to use previously accrued sick days or leave during a special situation like this. Obviously if it happens at a large enough scale, they probably won't just fire everyone, but there's a certain amount of game theory going on here to be sure. If SOME people don't show up, maybe management will let it slide, if LOTS of people don't show up, who gets in trouble?
They'll make a stubborn show of defiance but in due course some deal will be struck and some defections will occur because holding the government hostage to fund a wall to keep the Mexicans out is insane. Trump may be willing to fight to the bitter end for that but I guarantee no career Republican politician is.
It's not really up to them, though.
Folks deemed "essential" like security screeners, the Coast Guard, etc. are expected to still come to work. Non-essential employees are furloughed, and it's actually illegal for them to volunteer their time.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/23/gove...
> Natter noted that the Anti-Deficiency Act, the 129-year-old law that forces the government to shut down without an appropriation from Congress, also makes it illegal for furloughed workers to volunteer — even though many end up getting paid whether they work for not. "It really ought to be rewritten to be more relevant for the 21st century," he said.
That's strange, most of the ones I know do so with frustration and resentment. Perhaps you're referring to a different, more amicable government?
Living paycheck to paycheck is difficult and anxiety-inducing. It's awful how the livelihoods of people all over the country are subject to the whims of elected officials.
Edited: for clarity
In particular, if a TSA worker successfully finds another job to replace the income they can't get from the TSA, they should quit, rather than misrepresent their situation to later cash in on paid sick leave.
EDIT: reworded triple negative
1: Note not a lawyer, and just assuming these would be criminal actions.
on edit: made text italic on accident, removed formatting.
What's that like compared to other jobs?
At any rate I did not say they were bad people, despite working for the TSA, I pointed out that the particular action would be technically fraud (I believe) and if caught would probably be punished as such. Thus, although I did not say this flat out, I am wondering if it is actually happening all that much.
So the reason I phrased my comment about fraud in the form of a question, is because I believe it would rather easily be caught out. I am as a matter of principle reluctant to classify groups of people as being just stupider than I in such an obvious fashion.
Finally I've certainly been poorer in my life than any employee of the TSA currently is, and probably poorer than almost all of them have ever been, and even if I am not poor now I do not need any lessons on the matter.
NOTE: The parent comment was changed, without noting change in comment, which of course makes most of this comment seem somewhat off-kilter. I have edited and put in this note.
however the reaction I got to what I considered a relatively simple observation has put me out of sorts.
on edit: parent comment now has noted its edit, although I still believe the edit changed significantly the nature of the comment, and not just clarified it.
on edit: just woke up when I wrote this, changed worked to lived because otherwise did not make sense.
I tried firefox's "media.autoplay.enabled;false","media.autoplay.ask-permission;true","media.autoplay.block-event.enabled;true" but none of this seems to work anymore. uBlock origin doesn't seem to do this in any super easy way (that I tried).
it's an arms race, and you're not on the team with the money.
(I put a ton of effort into this about 6 months ago, and I managed to stop about a third of auto-playing videos)
I put a small amount effort into this; digging around in the source of a few sites, reading event traces, trying to work out the relationships between elements and so on. I'm not really a front end guy so I'm not sure if i'm failing due to ineptitude, things being generated and deployed in a way that makes them hard to read, or if they're deliberately obfuscated. Sounds like you believe the latter. Securing video start metrics from user interference must be... ahem, pretty highly incentivized.
EDIT: Firefox will add a permission popup, which is already in nightly. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/block-autoplay
i'm a back-end developer, but it seems like unless you're going to go as far as using the noscript extension, there's no way to stop the various video injection scripts. but I only used Chrome, so if Firefox is better I honestly might consider switching. I know Firefox has a mute-all-tabs-by-default setting/addon , which mitigates a lot of my problems with web video.
I have now a permission pop-up to allow autoplay, which remembers pref on a per site basis. Btw this is FF64, from ubuntu repo:
$ apt policy firefox
firefox:
Installed: 64.0+build3-0ubuntu0.18.04.1
GLHF.Also, if someone's goal was to inflict maximal damage on the US, striking whenever there was less effort put into security would be exactly what you'd want to do - regardless of whether the change actually affected security. So an increase in attacks might not actually reflect an increased vulnerability to attack, if that makes any sense.
Also wonder where this might lead? Will they be forced to get doctor's notices?
What happens when airports are overflowing with passengers and they are late boarding, will airports / airlines move to "privatize" security:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tsa-understaffing-longer-securi...
I will only add that I do have multiple friends who are ATCs who are currently planning to not get their next pay check (the 14th) due to how things are going. They aren't hurting yet, but it's definitely stressful for them.
[1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/avi...
So cheering for the shutdown specifically to choke TSA is like cutting your nose off to spite your face.