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Has this kid really completed his pre-college education at 9? I very much doubt that. Anyway, these days MOOC's and the like are a natural alternative to an actual, formal college environment, which is going to require a lot more "executive function" and self-guided, long-term personal development and planning than could be reasonably expected from even an exceptional 9-year-old.

The standards for pre-college education are pretty low.

When I compare what my kids get in college with what I did in public schools circa 1990, 7th grade is enough. Education is shockingly inefficient.

If you can write a paragraph, you're ready for the first writing class. Unless you can get AP credit, you won't escape being forced to take that class, so why waste half a decade when you can start immediately? You can probably complete the college classes faster (2 semesters) than pre-college schooling would take you from "can write a paragraph" to "scored a 4 on AP English Composition".

The same goes for math. Knowing a bit about fractions and decimals is enough to start. You can skip the first college class if you can simplify expressions, solve sets of 2 equations, and deal with inequalities. Skipping anything more would require AP Calculus, but that still wouldn't get you out of the math credit hour requirements. You might as well just start college earlier.

If those college expectations sound like high school or lower to you, then you're old and you're starting to understand. College is the new high school, if even that. We decided to pass all high school students, with "individual education programs" as needed to avoid maintaining standards, and to expect everybody to go to college. This is the result.

Your writing example does not jive at all with my experience, having recently seen very intelligent kids struggle with the required (no skipping via AP) basic university writing seminars at Ivy League schools.

Further, there's a difference between 'getting by' and actually gleaning the value of the education. People who took analysis and university level linear algebra got much more out of discrete math than I did, even though I scraped out a decent grade.

I've seen similar situations in community college. It's possible to barely pay attention and glide through the whole thing, but there's often a decent education for the taking if you put some work in and engage.

Pre-college education separates a lot of things into grades and whatnot, a lot of the subjects can be (if one is interest in doing so) condensed or one can just study all day for several weeks. I remember summer terms in college and they basically condensed a whole semester of 4 months into 2 weeks.

Social development is at least as important as professional development. There is a reason why Author's parents are sending him to elementary school and college at the same time - the elementary school provides a key social development framework that the college would not provide alone.

Furthermore, I think that you conflate cause and effect regarding high school. High school is not inherently toxic, rather, the adolescent process of developing Independence and the lack of emotional maturity combine to make high school years awkward and stressful. But because the underlying cause is there regardless of whether or not a child attends high school, the same effects will result regardless. As long as the child is in a high school in which the child can form friendships, the high school is a net positive, especially if, in the author's (eventual) case, the high school is a high school for gifted children which grants the children time to pursue endeavors which intellectually stimulate them.

In college I think one is unlikely to be spat upon, slammed into a locker or urinal, purposely tripped, etc.

A school for gifted children may be better, especially if not co-located with a normal school, but it will have other downsides. It will likely be a long commute and might cost as much as college. It does very little (probably just AP credit) to shave years off of the time required for education.

I'm not sure where you live but mortgages where I live are 20 years. Graduating at 14 does not give one a paid-off mortgage-free home at 20, even if they were to be able to find a job immediately upon graduating.

On another very cultural point, I know of exactly zero women with my education level who would have been willing to give birth before 20, even if they had been out of college by then -- they got to that education level by being ambitious and for ambitious women career takes precedence over babies. (There were also practical issues. If you start college at 15 there are very little safe ways for you to experiment with sex before college. All women I know want to have sex recreationally for like, several years before having a baby, and with different men than the eventual baby daddy too.) I grant that it's in a city -- I think the whole career/baby conundrum is a lot less of a problem in rural or religious areas. Still.

In most cases, you aren't bound to that payment schedule. I paid off a 30-year mortgage in 8 years, using one income, and I wasn't trying all that hard. Being a city person, you might not realize that the rest of us are getting houses for 10% of what you are probably paying.

There is cultural variation for sure. The thought of starting with a non-virgin is revolting to me. BTW, that should go for both sexes, though obviously one is impossible to scrub clean. (tiny cleaning brushes for Fallopian tubes?) Both sexes should hold spouses to this standard. If the other person wants to violate that standard, run! They've done it before.

I seriously feel that way, and I'm not even religious or rural. I'm married, and both of us were virgins. You shouldn't experiment with sex. Before college is fine, assuming you are married before college. I'm sure you hate and reject this idea, but you really devalue yourself if you sleep around. It's how you get herpes and more. Most people get herpes, but it is NOT an inevitable part of life. Your possible choices for a spouse are reduced if you've been around. If you do discover a nice spouse, but you remember getting better sex from a different person, how will you be happy? You'll forever be fantasizing about that other person. You'll probably be tempted to cheat.

I'm sure you think my attitude is strange, but consider this: I've been married for almost two decades. My parents, with a similar attitude, have been married for over four decades. Their parents were married longer, until death. There have not been any broken homes, custody fights, half-sibling surprises, or any similar misery. BTW, the women all got above-average education for their era, but didn't use it except to attract husbands. This is a way of life that works, free of the fights and other drama that is so common today. Children grow up safe and secure, and then provide likewise for their own children.

Melbourne, FL.

The cheapest house on the market is going for $30,000 and the median is going for $157,100. Throwing some randomly into a calculator, it looks like $50 to $100 per square foot for real suburban-type homes. Prices are the same in Palm Bay, just to the south of Melbourne.

Yes, there are jobs. There are several large defense contractors in the area, along with many startups doing things related to software security. I usually post one to the "Who is Hiring?" thread.

So get the job, live cheaply, and buy a house. Heck, buy it in cash. Two years of a single income will do that if your tastes are not extravagant.

So asynchronous learning has a name. I was never as bright as these kids. I am older now in my 30s, and my life has played out so I kept on looking for a role model, and I met the first when I was 31. Now I know that I should have taken my option to do a PhD in a proper university, which I declined years back for financial reasons, and worked on some random research topic in a different school. Quite late now.

I have a close family member who is brighter than me. His family chose to not send him to gifted elementary school despite my objections. He is the top student in a gifted highschool now, and will be going to college next year at age 17.. and has been bored and semi-depressed for the last two years as far as I can tell.

My advice to him is to get in a major school and take it from there. I'm sure that's not hard for him. I feel like I should be able to suggest more but aside from life advice, I'm at a loss. Any pointers? I live here but he is in a country with barely mediocre support for special kids.

From experience, I think you're right with this advice. A ridiculous amount of doors open up if you go to a decent school - he'll get there and be pulled into internships...try a few things...and have lots of options for semi-interesting stuff on his way out.

The worst thing you can do is stay in a mediocre home town and fall into a mediocre job...he will end up depressed if he doesn't get out.

Childbearing under 18 is not low risk. Very young mothers are at higher risk for certain types of potentially life-threatening complications than mothers in their 20s, typically because even after reaching puberty the pelvis doesn’t reach its full width until full physical maturity (which is typically around 21 for women and 25 for men).

Some things to bear in mind:

The portion of the population that typically bears children before 18 is not randomly selected. High-risk behaviors are common in that population. Fetal alcohol syndrome (from abuse in the previous generation) reduces pelvis size. Properly controlling for all these factors is difficult, and it might purposely not be attempted.

If delayed childbearing causes the entire window of childbearing years to shift, then we must also consider the risk with older mothers. By satisfying the urge for a family of a particular size, a birth at 17 might prevent a birth at 47. Modern medicine can do something about a difficult birth, but not very much about broken chromosomes.

Full physical maturity varies greatly by individual. One can measure.

> a birth at 17 might prevent a birth at 47

It's not an either-or proposition. What "urge for a family of a particular size" could not be satisfied between ages 20 and 47? Hopefully, you're not pushing your child to have "several children by age 20."