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Do you have some examples of modern UIs made for work instead of looks?

Excel, Outlook, FreshBooks, Google Keep (yes, I'm surprised I put a Google product in this list too), Repl.it, Forest Admin, HeidiSQL, Photoshop, Healthcare.gov

The Adobe suite in general always astonishes me for how effective its UX philosophy is. It’s slightly intimidating for novices but still usable, and as you get more proficient over and over again you discover that something was built to help you work faster.

I would vouch for IntelliJ. It's clean, customizable and nothing is hidden away

I wouldn't say it's very effective though. I end up looking for things -way- too often in it, as there is just -way- too much to it. I'm fairly experienced with it, having used it off and on for 3-4 years now (any time I'm using a language that isn't miserable I'll just use Sublime), but I still find myself trying to figure out how to do certain things. And starting out it was terrible; yes, plenty of auto-magic things that make Java suck less, but even just a basic 'find any occurrences of this line of text in the project' required multiple tries to figure out (apparently it's not "Find...", "Find Next/Move to Next Occurrence", nor "Find Usages", but "Find in Path". Which is not at all what I would have expected when it's not a class I'm searching for).

You haven't used many IDEs. This is standard behavior. "find next" or "find usages" is for the current editor and you should never expect it to search the entire project. Searching files recursively is usually called "find in path".

I HADN'T used many IDEs. I -did- say 'starting out'.

Regardless, defending it as standard behavior means you're arguing it has -average- UX. The OP was in favor of it having -good- UX (well, 'clean, customizable and nothing is hidden away', and I was just pointing out that doesn't necessarily mean it's good).

I was trying to point out that it's already logical and sensible, and what you think it should be is nonsense.

You seem to have a lot of trouble with past vs present tenses. What I think it should be is not something I ever said. I listed out what options seemed (past tense) more likely to me, given the list in IntelliJ.

Yeah +1 for the whole suite of IntelliJ IDEs. The UI is predictable and there is a fantastic VIM plugin (which is a hard requirement for me to use an IDE over just a terminal)

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