Apple Music Overtakes Spotify in U.S. Subscribers
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That's the name that eluded me; my initial comment was going to mention Grooveshark but was sure there was another player who was in on the game very early on so thanks for jogging the memory there.
Apple just had the market clout to make labels acquiesce to doing it legally.
It's trivial to change retailer, not so changing which app-store you use, especially not on Apple hardware.
I can't buy a Tesla, Tiffanys etc at any other place except their retail store.
You can goto any city on this planet and find hundreds of small third party stores who will repair it. Everything from cracked screen, new case, battery replacement etc.
In the case of Apples App Store, you can't change store without a significant cost in both time and money. You literally have to buy a non-Apple phone to be able to change retailer. Potentially also having to leave behind significant already paid for products, both hardware and software.
These are things inside one store, as in Spotify and Apple Music are both for sale in the one store, and while Apple takes a cut, which could force Spotify to increase their price, they do have full pricing autonomy.
I’m not entirely against the fact that Apple has a walled garden in the form of the App Store, just because they do seem to invest in keeping a certain standard of quality unlike Google, but I’d say that’s a separate issue.
And Spotify probably doesn’t want to be in the store business anyways even if Apple allowed it, Epic Games is probably the first major case I heard of a company doing similar on Android (where it’s allowed) and almost immediately they opened a security vulnerability into everyone’s phones so...
I read that comment as regarding similarities between two different apps that stream music, and two different brands of the same product in a store.
The store the two brands are in isn't really relevant past the fact the same company that that owns the store owns one of the brands, and certainly the nature of the store doesn't affect the comparison.
If they thought that having multiple stores was important to them they would use Android.
Nobody is going into the phone purchasing process blind.
What most people do understand is based on experience in the physical world, where expectations of fair pricing is reasonable, because when you can select whatever store you want, that is an expected effect.
No, but maybe they chose Apple because on Android their lockscreen got taken over by the top result for flashlight which is actually malware (something that happened to a family member and drove me to recommend Apple)
Also what kind of strange victim blaming is this? You want to know why they got a flashlight app instead of knowing why the top Play Store result is malware?
Apple disallows Spotify access to full Watch APIs and Siri APIs they themselves leverage for Apple Music.
Apple also occasionally bullies Spotify by keeping app review in limbo.
Additionally, Spotify eats the 30% Apple tax, and I would imagine the costs for music licensing rights are fairly inelastic.
Apple is not playing fair. They don’t even follow their own App Store rules.
They don't because they disabled it years ago. Also it's not really Apple's problem that Spotify paying for distribution makes their business worse off. They should just eat the cost just like they do when all those wireless carriers that bundle Spotify take their cut.
Seen no evidence that Apple is sending effectively system notifications masquerading as Apple Music.
> Push Notifications must not be required for the app to function, and should not be used for advertising, promotions, or direct marketing purposes or to send sensitive personal or confidential information. Abuse of these services may result in revocation of your privileges.
But that's not what I am talking about. It's this alleged situation where Apple is sending Apple Music notifications not from the app but from the OS itself.
Serious question: how do I report apps that violate this guideline?
So far, HomePod is looking like a Version 0 product from Apple. Given that it’s not even sold in many countries yet (compared to iPhone/iPad/Macs), it will be a while until it becomes a little more open. Looks like Apple hasn’t yet completely figured out the market and utility for it.
Spotify doesn’t “eat” the 30% cut. You haven’t been able to sign up for Spotify through the App Store in years.
It's a cost for the distribution channel i.e. a cost for Spotify to easily access the hundreds of millions of iPhone users with just a few clicks on an app submission form.
A few clicks is practically Mt. Everest for end users. Look at the search engine in Safari. It's a "few clicks" to change it but Google still pays Apple 8 billion dollars a year to be the default.
Given the debate at hand, this link is definitely worth a read.
The top grossing iOS app (Tinder.app) somehow is not really complaining about this though, but that's because most their revenue comes from the iOS in app purchases.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/21/17764424/netflix-feature-...
this article implies that no, it is indeed 30% for any new user, at least for netflix, but then that matches up with what spotify claims. spotify also claims that apple changes what policy applies to each company. it does mention the second year reduction, but that seems to be for other apps?
i think it's at least clear that apple makes it a little unclear what they exactly do. i have heard from more than one app developer (from big companies) complain about apple's arbitrary app store processes.
Completely forgetting that Apple Music is premium only service, while Spotify' minority of paying customers carry majority of freeloaders. Very "fair" comparison.
(I know that Spotify have ads, but ad revenue is significantly less than 10$/m)
It's a 30% cut for using Apple's distribution channel. And no Apple doesn't let app developers use the channel whilst telling their users how to bypass the 30% cut.
Just like I can't go to any retail store today and on any of the clothes or boxes find a giant sticker that says "buy this product on our website for 20% cheaper". No retailer would tolerate that.
Even the dodgy ones on eBay seem to be 10% off max, and I'm fairly sure those are primarily used for money laundering and/or credit card fraud.
Yes, but like with any other purchase, you have to get it from a reputable retailer.
I usually load up at brick-and-mortar places on Black Friday weekend and then use them the rest of the year.
You'd have to add that it's more like you own a car that will only take you to that one store.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor....
You can buy/sell it on eBay. Or next upgrade cycle change brands.
Music that you bought from iTunes has been DRM free for ages.
Most movies purchased from iTunes are transferable to Google Play, Amazon Video and Vudu vis the Movies Anywhere app.
edit: typo
I see Apple as a plaza owner who opens up a few of their own shops in that plaza. Or Safeway selling some store “generics” branded by them.
Should we also stop Google from surfacing reviews, hotel reservations, etc before competitors since it doesn’t have to pay itself for top placement?
Should we stop console makers from also being publishers since they don’t have to pay themselves a licensing fee - yes physicsl media from third parties have to pay a licensing fee.
Should we stop physicsl distributors from having store brands?
https://timetoplayfair.com/facts/ https://timetoplayfair.com/timeline/
none of that is hard to believe. it shows clearly that apple uses its position to cause favor for its own apps.
You mean like Siri only offers music from Apple Music and no other service?
No matter the app store, I imagine the developers would want their users to have recent versions installed, at least the ones who would update them on Google Play.
The fact that this is true not for lack of willingness on Spotify's part, but because Apple restricts integration for third-party developers is the reason Apple should be absolutely nailed to the wall with an antitrust charge.
Why are the filters so important? What is the 'use case'?
I'm also not surprised it's hard to get a Swedish founded company to introduce explicit filters. At least to me and my peers, the explicit words thing - beeps and all - is one of the most mystifying parts of US culture, especially since the same words also are so prominent in a lot of popular culture. So whatever culture you're from, getting a "Swedish" company to understand, and implement explicit filters is going to be an uphill battle because of this.
Locally, they would probably also be considered old and stodgy if they did it, not unlikely it cost them quite a few of the younger users.
In the US, nobody really thinks twice about toy commercials run during cartoons, but in Sweden, these have been made illegal.
I'm not advocating for or against either, just pointing out that it is usually significant to the culture for some historical reason or another. As long as it's not causing harm, it's usually up to the service provider to decide to or ensure if they are going to cater to the cultural norms of that market.
I'm not an Apple guy, so my built in bias means I haven't used Apple Music, but maybe I should give it a chance.
Given that I'm pretty much all in on Apple otherwise, Apple Music seems like the natural choice to me.
My experience with the prime version has been poor. Aside from selection, it is just not a well written service. Replay bugs are common, and it regularly decides to change what station I was listening to for no discernible reason. The “stations” are clearly just playlists, because if you listen long enough they end up looping.
If it wasn’t free, I wouldn’t use it.
And don’t get me started on how they threw away their excellent iPad UI in favor of a blown-up version of the phone UI.
If Spotify is losing to Apple Music, the answer is a better core experience, not bundling Hulu.
I've just tested this on iOS 12.2.
While you can't swipe to queue, you can force-touch on a song to bring up the quick menu, and then release over 'play-next'. A different gesture, but still a single gesture/tap.
Never really digged the über dark theme of Spotify, used to be less dark —and nicer to my taste— when I started using it back in 2008 on macOS –when they _did_ have a native app.
I can see why Apple would dominate for iPhone / Apple users though.
Apple Music heavily pushed, on the device, a 3 month free trial, and it's about time that most of those 3 month trials expire. I imagine the number will drop substantially after.
Apple's been heavily pushing the service with the same 3 month trial for several years and has seen huge growth over the whole period. There's no big correction that's waiting to hit.
Spotify has all the music I've ever searched for. It has great curated playlists, and great algorithmic playlists. It has great "related music". They've gotten that all down brilliantly. Of course it has the ability to download playlists if you will be offline.
The app is available on everything, and the integration between devices is brilliant. It's on my LG TV, my Windows desktop, the xbox...every device. Spotify has no platform bias -- their entire business is modeled around streaming music, and not pushing some secondary goal which inevitably is what Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc have in mind.
https://www.reddit.com/r/googleplaymusic/comments/b94zf6/goo...
Just works is such a huge selling point for most consumers.
You just have a tenuous grasp on when/where antitrust can be applied.
I have a pair of Sonos Play 1 speakers in the house and have not had any issues with Spotify for the past few months.
I am though a user myself of Apple Music, and the app I must say, on iOS, is way better, and the no. 1 reason I switched from Spotify when Apple Music launched.
AM works fine and gives recommendations that I like. I also rarely run into music that's not on AM like I used to do on Spotify.
AM can also be purchased for the year for $99. Combine that with a $100 iTunes gift card that can often be found for $85 or even $80 (often around Christmas time), and unlimited music for the year becomes rather inexpensive.
I doubt that it would cannibalize much, because I really think that pretty much everyone who currently buys some of the content they already pay for in a subscription is doing so for a physical copy (which would not be part of the cherry-on-top trickle). It also would not threaten the subscription, because the library one could build from that would not reach "cord cutting" volume even after a lifetime of trickle licences.
As usual, it won't exist because content owners can never understand that they would not lose anything.
Or when i can not find the CD in Amazon i usually get from 7digital.
Thinking about my personal choice, I choose Spotify over apple music because I like the library interface better. I also used Apple Music exclusively from launch until two years ago because I previously had a large local library of my own through iTunes. Both are great services, but once I transitioned into a fully streamed library, Spotfiy became more appealing to me for smaller and smaller reasons. My impression is that with the ubiquity of streaming and general consistency of quality, preference largely becomes a product of what platform is the most readily available.
While I am fairly staunch in my preference for Spotify at the moment, but I am not sympathetic to their position against Apple's terms. I fully acknowledge that not all apps that operate in Apple's ecosystem are treated totally equally, but remember, equality and fairness are not the same thing. It is their ecosystem after all and it is in their best interest to be selective in how they maintain it. So while it Spotify may not be treated equally, it is my opinion that they are treated fairly within Apple's walled garden.
Making a profit from selling music in a service is a very tough business.
If I was Spotify, I would continue investing to make the best music subscription product hands down.
And in the new evidence of DHH's tweets and finding about MacBook Keyboard being much much worst than we thought. I am losing faith in Tim Cook's Apple.
Radio is an area that Spotify falls flat on its face. If I want to listen to random holiday music, for instance, Spotify just sucks.
Anyone who has used both products knows Spotify is objectively better in terms of music discovery and the social aspects of music. Not to mention, spotify works everywhere. Apple music only works on iOS and MacOS.
False: https://musi.sh
The discovery features in Apple Music are seemingly more tuned into my varied tastes. When I tried Spotify last year, no matter what I listened to or added to my library, it kept recommending a small selection of Rap albums, even though I was listening to far more than just rap. Spotify latched onto one thing and just ran with it. I haven't seen Apple Music do that to my recommendations.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apple.andr...
Not objectively. In your opinion.
I like to discover new music via the Beats 1 series of radio stations which Spotify is incredibly poor at.