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You're conflating morals with legality. The two are completely different concepts.

For example I can legally profile short people, but it isn't moral to do so. And I would rightfully be judged if I did so.

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I don’t see why it would be immoral if empirically short people accounted for 75% of your shrinkage while being less than 50% of the shopping pop in your store.

Because you're treatment people differently based on something outside of their control. Just because you can justify why you'd want to act that way, in no way makes it any less wrong.

The problem is this a preposterous example, but let’s say we’re targeting kleptomaniacs. Is it immoral to target them, despite their propensity? I don’t see how.

We're talking about profiling people on physical characteristics outside of their control. Kleptomania is a behaviour, not a physical characteristic.

Asking if it is right to judge people based on their mental health is an entirely different topic than asking if we can judge people based on a physical characteristic they were born with and have no control over. Apples and oranges.

Right but to go back to the beginning, we shouldn’t target short people per se, but the behavior of shoplifters, if the shoplifters in fact end up being predominantly short people while not looking specifically at short people I think it’s not immoral.

But the learned behaviour will be short => likely a shoplifter. Short people who don't shoplift will have to deal with being suspected of shoplifting at a higher rate than the rest of society. You could say that's just a fact of life, a minor thing, but it's still a privilege to not be in that group. If you then belong to multiple of these groups (dark skin, poor neighborhood), you become a primary target without ever having any intention of doing anything illegal. It's not immoral per se, but it does not set the stage for a fair society.

It does add some unfairness I can see that, but I’m not sure it’d be permanent. Is it possible since short people are caught at a high rate this would deter the thieves who are also short and then through feedback the system would begin to target thieves who are also tall?

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