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Well... not in the sense that these things apparently exceed not just our own aircrafts' capabilities, but seem to use propulsion technologies that don't obey the known laws of physics. Enemy states have drones, for sure. But enemy states having drones that use super fast non-air-burning engines would be staggering.

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There is a difference between having no air-burning engines and no visible air-burning engines. The B-2 and the F-117, which themselves were commonly mistaken for UFOs, both seem to have no thrust sources due to their buried engines and slitted exhaust vents

We also have a powerful imagination.

I'm not dismissing any sightings, just saying more discipline in documenting these things is always welcome.

Sure, the Navy is probably interested in drone sightings but maybe we'll learn something more about other phenomenon.

Not at all sure why they're graying you down, but you make some very good points. There are just way too many credible witnesses who have observed objects in the sky far outperforming the principals of aeronautics and the laws of physics as we know them.

Human beings are almost never credible witnesses. We are deceived by the simplest optical illusions.

I disagree. Reasonable people can see and understand things that they know to be unreasonable; like your comment for example.

I agree with you. I think there is a spectrum on which a person can be very reliable and not at all reliable.

I think that when seeing any unknown phenomenon there is nobody who can be 100% reliable. They can be a data point, but that should be the extent of it until more information is available.

Then we probably agree more than disagree in this regard.

What I do know as someone with degrees in mathematics and physics and several years in the USAF, is that some very smart people that I have personally spoken with have seen artificial objects in the sky that move in ways that they cannot explain nor do they have imaginative basis on which to speculate about such performances.

There are lots of incredibly smart people who believe in religion and believe their religion is the only true religion. Nine times out of ten their religion also happens to be the religion they were born into. If that example is too controversial, we can try another. There's plenty of smart people who voted for and still support Donald Trump.

<sigh/>I'll stipulate your point if you agree that Atheism and Trump hatred is your religion. Because hey, you need just enough faith to believe what you believe as I need to believe what I believe.

Please link to some example reports.

My claim is not unreasonable and it is not my goal or desire to persuade you in any way. There are plenty books and reports out there for you to arrive at your own conclusions.

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