Phone and laptop searches at US border 'quadruple'
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If they were smart, they would use such powers sparingly and on those who appear to be a genuine threat. In fact, I really cannot understand their strategy. It makes no sense unless mass data collection from normal citizens is the goal.
Remember there are people out there who think that increased border searches, walls, etc, are a good thing. This is for them.
some fascists don't like wasting money?
edit: You = Just
Here's a great explanation on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQbFgszFaZg
Thus, they never personally experience the pain or inconvenience of their policies. Furthermore, since outsiders (_immigrants_) are considered to be bad or dangerous, any policy that dissuades them from even coming the the US is supported.
Some may think my observations are ridiculous, but come spend some time in rural or southern US. Sit with the locals while they watch Fox news and echo what they hear.
Your observations are ridiculous.
I've been there and done that. It's not any worse than having your ears bleed when overhearing the equally "well informed" urban equivalents talk politics to each other on the subway.
People who support Orwellian government are unfortunately abundant pretty much everywhere and on both sides of the isle. The only significant difference is which groups of people they conveniently craft their policy positions to not oppress and which laws they want enforced with an iron fist.
That may be true but these are his personal observations. He hadn't observed the other side with his own eyes - he can't comment on that, he's commenting on what he has observed.
Why is that not ok? Are we not allowed to tell people they only have incomplete information anymore?
I've observed the same from people living in New York City. They see absolutely no reason to ever leave the country, don't have passports, etc.
They aren't dumb they aren't trying to catch criminals.
https://www.eff.org/files/2018/01/11/digital-privacy-border-...
I was a bit disappointed when I saw EFF's 1-page "pocket guide" which IMO does not provide real advice while at the border: https://www.eff.org/document/eff-border-search-pocket-guide
I think the issue is maybe that today, there are no good options for travellers to the US concerned about data security, and that any form of non-compliance is likely going to ruin your day. Doubly so for non-citizens. The border agents have enormous amount of discretion today.
It's not that much of a leap beyond current capabilities as switching to a new phone is quite like this when most of your files are cloud based, it would just need to take all the local files/settings and figure a reliable secure way to ensure only you got access to restore the content (preferably in a way that you can't easily be forced to apply at the border, so maybe a geo fenced reactivation element to it?) Keeping certain large files as "home country only" and not restoring them when "in country" could mitigate the volume of data needed to transfer.
Obviously is not going to appeal to people who don't trust those companies either but would be less easily abused than an in-person search of your phone by a dodgy border guard.
I'm still blown away by the fact that (unrooted) Android does not offer such basic functionality. Even many years later. And by the fact that Android is spyware by design, but thats another discussion.
According to another comment here Iphone also has similar backup features to BBOS10.
Conclusion: don't buy an Android phone and do as describe in parent post?
It would usefully have applications far beyond mere border privacy (usefully because it wouldn't just be a "border check evasion" thing at all). It would just plain be good for security period first of all, if sensitive applications just autovanished while traveling it'd further reduce the risk of a device being stolen or someone being held up and coerced. But also important, and related to growing concerns about overuse of devices, it would allow device owners to reduce mental load, clutter and temptation by recreating the lines between various parts of our lives that have been blurred. I'd love to be able to have "views" for work, working out, travel, and home (even times of day at home) where some stuff vanishes and thus isn't tempting. Work apps could vanish off hours, news apps and games except for limited times of day, etc.
I'd rather see some kind of application which takes my data and replaces it with pictures of kittens and other harmless things, using steganography. If the fascists want to see what I'm doing with my own property, they're going to have to look at some pussy.
Again not saying I agree, but can see many reasons why a product management team might shoot the idea down.
Besides, for those who care about this, I’m assuming existing options for wiping and restoring a cellphone probably achieve the same thing in practice.
Nothing says Welcome to our Country like being treated like a criminal.
Does that mean EU treats it's citizens like criminals?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...
Of course there's no way to verify that, but I generally have a bit more trust in German authoroties.
(you can also travel widely with just an ID card which doesn't get the biometrics, although that does limit you to Europe.)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-25/mem-fox-detained-at-l...
Mem Fox is a world renow children's author* who has travelled to the US 116 times previously, without incident.
Australian author Mem Fox has received a written apology from the United States after what she said was a traumatic detention by immigration officials at Los Angeles Airport.
Fox, who was questioned by Customs and Border Protection officers for two hours earlier this month as she was on her way to Milwaukee to address a conference, said she collapsed and sobbed at her hotel after she was released. She said the border agents appeared to have been given "turbocharged power" by an executive order signed by President Donald Trump to "humiliate and insult" a room full of people they detained to check visas.
"I have never in my life been spoken to with such insolence, treated with such disdain, with so many insults and with so much gratuitous impoliteness," Fox said.
"I felt like I had been physically assaulted which is why, when I got to my hotel room, I completely collapsed and sobbed like a baby, and I'm 70 years old."
Fox, whose books include classics such as Possum Magic and Ten Little Fingers and Ten Little Toes, said she was questioned about her visa status, even though she had travelled to the United States 116 times previously without incident.
"My heart was pounding so hard as I was waiting to be interviewed, because I was observing what was happening to everybody else in the room," she said.
"They accused me of coming in on the wrong visa and they were totally wrong about that.
"The person who interviewed me was heavy with weaponry, was totally dressed in black with the word 'police' in hand-sized letters across his chest."
The author said she was unlikely to visit the United States again despite the friendliness of ordinary Americans.
"At the moment I'm in so much shock about it, I can't imagine going back to the states," she said.
"I'd hate not to go back to the states because it's been so good to me and Americans in general are not [like] the border police at LA airport."
"I thought: 'How can human beings treat other vulnerable human beings in this fashion, in public, in full view of everybody?'
Either the people are innately monsters (i.e. some groups of people can have innate differences from other groups) or the environment breeds monstrosity (i.e. monsters arise wherever policy creates a place like LA). The debate never seems to rise to acknowledging this essential contradiction.
Industrial espionage is the only goal of this program. After Snowden revealed that the CIA was eavesdropping on allied political leaders like Angela Merkel, stuff like this is the new normal. Assume the worst and don't carry anything through airport security that you are not comfortable with sharing with foreign governments and your competitors.
This is not about child pornography or terrorism. Honestly, who is stupid enough to engage in that kind of stuff and walk through airport security with incriminating evidence. This is not a thing and hasn't been for decades. Anybody that stupid would be effectively harmless owing to the fact that they would be complete morons.
Then of course zero-write the hard drive and reload the software when you're done.
It's a bit of a stretch maybe, but not beyond possibility.
"Lost everything in a hard drive crash literally two days ago, pretty busy getting ready to travel and just had time to reinstall before I jumped on the plane."
This sucks and is stupid, all forms of dragnet type operations are.
In this particular context, you could specifically discard 2fa tokens, etc., such that a password isn’t enough to login to these accounts. Now this might mean that your entry will be denied, but you will be incapable of giving them access to what they’re asking for.
That's a mistake. One of your friends/relatives can say something inconvenient.
This seems like another program where only the stupid “criminals” are affected but the harm to all the innocent people caught up in it is massive
Just like the Chinese government's Integrated Joint Operations Platform surveillance software. "Not using a smartphone" is one of the 36 data points which mark you out as having "suspicious behaviour":
https://www.hrw.org/video-photos/interactive/2019/05/02/chin...
I'll survive without it, but will lose the extra control of glucose in an already stressful situation.
I used veracrypt btw, no way to tell that there is a hidden nested partition without in depth crypto analysis of the harddrive(in which case you're probably screwed anyways)
The tech big companies don't care to make an issue out of it and the issue is too complex(seemingly) for the every man so no progress is going to be made in the short term(5-10 years) until more tech literate people get elected. All we can do is campaign and mitigate
Were there a perception by someone that you were possibly giving a false statement or violating some other rule (or just disrespecting them), consider how much misery and expenses you might incur, long before lawyers finished debating the question.
Minimize travel through problematic places, minimize sensitive data and access that you expose when traveling through problematic places, minimize being clever.
there is LITERALLY no way for them to tell that i've done anything to the data without carefully analyzing the partition(which they wouldn't know existed because i'm using boot level encryption). obviously if i had REALLY sensitive data i wouldn't carry it with me and just get it from "cloud of choice" but this is just a case of privacy(i don't want them looking at my private texts/photos/notes/media collection). And they won't.
If it causes an international incident all the better to humiliate them. Sad that the system is so oligarchic but bullies learn only through force.
International incident with whom exactly? What was the fallout of the "incident" when the world found out that the US was spying on NATO allies and heads of state?
Being "immune to justice" leads to taking matters into their own hands which is never pretty. It has a very long history - terrorists and insurgent can be called the descendents of Sicarii style attacks - original Zealot Hebrew fundamentalists knifing Romans and vanishing into crowd.
But what exactly are you going to do about it? If you have a lot of money maybe you can pay lawyers to go to court to demand you be allowed to enter, but there's a good chance the court will be persuaded that since you're not there there's nothing to discuss. And why aren't you there? Because they never allowed you to enter the country.
The "No fly" list allows them to make it essentially impossible to enter without even the inconvenience of actually turning you away at the border.
Unlike Nature's laws, our laws are not facts. Writing that "We hold these truths to be self-evident" did not make them so, Americans are free only if and to the extent that all Americans make them free, and in the modern era I'm afraid there's precious little sign of that.
Also, you’re already across once you meet the border people. You’re not in no-man’s-land; the border is infinitely thin and you are already in the US at the checkpoint. This is the simplest habeas corpus petition ever.
Anyway, a citizen being turned away, shipped back, or put into deportation at the airport isn’t a far reach from any of this.
Where would you even try to deport a US citizen? "Here, Spain, we don't think this guy is a US citizen, his passport doesn't look legit enough, can you take him?"
An incomplete wikipedia list with a number of citizens that were wrongfully deported from the U.S.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Americans_from_...
U.S. citizens having deportation detainers placed on them is suprisingly common: https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-polic...
This guy was held for weeks: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/04/born-philad...
U.S. citizen detained without charge for a year and then freed: https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/detention/us-cit...
There are dozens of stories like these. I've listed a few, but to go further I'd recommend doing a web search.
Blather on about totally unworkable ideas and you get coverage and broad agreement despite the obvious and glaring flaws such as literally having no idea how to implement it.
This doesn’t solve the “this is messed up and shouldn’t happen at all” issue, but does give you a way out. Realistically this will happen more frequently in other jurisdictions as it stands.