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I'm hardly an Oracle (née Sun in this context) booster; i.e. as a Clojure partisan, I'm all too aware of the benign neglect that comes with using the JVM but not Java, and with vaporware (JWebPane, anyone?).

All that said, I'm happy enough to be Charlie Brown and take a run at this football. Cynicism leads to either resigning myself to using Javascript forever for client side stuff, something I just couldn't swallow psychologically.

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Why do you hate JavaScript so much? You can thoroughly ignore all notions of classes and use it as a lesser scheme.

Javascript is a bad language with poor libraries, and I'm forced to use it. I've said before: if it weren't for its distribution, it simply wouldn't be used. If given other choices (emphasis on the plural there), not one developer would opt for Javascript.

"The good parts" of Javascript get a lot of play, but I don't want to have cope by using patterns and avoiding the dull, broken bits that go along for the ride...and I'm surprised that many (most?) other competent developers that wouldn't put up with such compromises in their "real" languages aren't as irritated about Javascript as I have been.

Some percentage of developers do choose Javascript among multiple choices: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript#Uses_outside_web_pag...

Stockholm syndrome?

agreed - it was initially developed in about 10 days of caffeine, and it shows.

gorram it, jwz.

Brendan, right? http://www.jwz.org/blog/2010/10/every-day-i-learn-something-...

doh, ja

"Javascript is a bad language with poor libraries, and I'm forced to use it."

The same can be said for any programming language that you don't like.

No it can't. Browser is pretty much the only platform where you have to use a certain language.

I suppose you've never had to work a day job at a "real" company before?

"If given other choices (emphasis on the plural there), not one developer would opt for Javascript"

How do you explain the recent widespread enthusiasm for Node.js, including from server-side engineers with little to no previous JavaScript experience?

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