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This whole drama (not of the highest quality) should be a big warning for all those naive people (trying hard not to call names) who seem to not completely understand the HUGE trust threats that _all_ VPN services entail. VPN services are black boxes. You have absolutely no idea what they doing in their black boxes despite all their claims. A nice post that sums everything up: https://schub.io/blog/2019/04/08/very-precarious-narrative.h...

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100% concur to your opinion.

Anecdata, but from couple stories from people who worked/interviewed at VPN providers - I believe that in couple years we'll start see same horror stories of private data issues, like we are having with social network and internet ad businesses today.

EDIT: apparently my anecdata is not anecdotal [0]. When it's race to the bottom for consumer pricing - your bandwith is resold (or at least there's capability to do that) for botnet purposes.

[0] https://restoreprivacy.com/lawsuit-names-nordvpn-tesonet/

I'm sure we will, there have already been cases where claims about not keeping logs turned to be plain lies, sure why some wouldn't share their user's habits for further "analysis" for extra profit upon subscriptions.

The plain fact is that you don't know what they are doing, it's impossible to know.

If they ever find a way for an introspective verification/validation of configurations coupled with the connection itself (or whatever mumbo jumbo), then we can talk again about middle-men's trust.

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