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"javascript frontends are the great for programmer fights, but thankfully most of the web doesnt use them"

Wait what? Have you like, been on the web at all? How the hell are javascript frontends not used everywhere?!

"AWS isn't critical either, its bubbled because of easy startup money and lazyness. will be a good thing to see it fade away" Wait what ? Have you, been on the web at all ? Ten thousands of websites are hosted, or partially hosted on AWS

>Ten thousands of websites are hosted, or partially hosted on AWS

Who cares? There is no reason for it to exist, and it's continued existence is arguably what OP said; that and the abject laziness of CFO types.

Sure there is -- I use it for my personal projects (so no CFO's), for example for email sending and object storage.

Sure, your own server is fine when you have unlimited time; but once you want to save time (CFO: to pay less salary; personal: to have more time in life for other things), AWS makes a great deal of sense.

Half the workforce in webdev has an average work experience of 5 years or less which leads to self-sustaining generational churn in this area, and a whole industry of bootcamps and fizzbuzz-style questions handed out to employers and webdevs alike. Being hellbent to deliver webapps regardless of fit is no progress, and will hit a wall as customers and regulators demand power efficiency.

> and will hit a wall as customers and regulators demand power efficiency.

Sorry, but LOL. That's so low on any regulator's agenda that it wouldn't make it even as a campaign point if we were to elect a "president of IT", let alone a real-world senator or mayor or president.

Ok it might not be yet, but things are changing rapidly. In Germany, established parties are running scared right now over loosing first-voters, and push for significant change.

Imagine a little icon or traffic sign or so we put on websites informing users about independently measured power effiency. Could work with privacy and network footprint as well. Hell, maybe I should put up a competition for graphic artists to design such a thing, with a 1k USD/EUR prize.

Are you saying there's no feedback in the sense that a website that consumes more resources costs more to the owner? I would have thought there is.

I'm afraid I've not completely understood. I was talking about the power consumption for the users of the site/webapp rather than the power necessary for running web servers. But that would indeed be another important measure (and I believe power density is certainly on the radar of data center equipment buyers, but not framework users and most developers yet).

I wouldn't rule it out. Considering the occasional tech-related hysterias, all it would take is for someone high profile to start complaining about how much power and heat slack generates.

they do have a lot of usage but barely everywhere. remember most of the web is wordpress.

I believe WordPress, at least the admin interface, is essentially an SPA.

Yes, that is true, but most WordPress sites are hosted on a cloud provider.

I think what was meant is that phone apps are taking over. These use the web but not Javascript.

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