NASA ‘Snoopy’ lunar module likely found 50 years after being jettisoned
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I wish we lived in a universe where NASA didn't have the forsight to short fuel Apollo 10. Imagine a joyride to the lunar surface.
AFAIK, "Snoopy" was too heavy to land and take off anyhow, the astronauts didn't have EVA capable suits, and there wasn't enough oxygen to replenish the LM cabin should they have opened the hatch to perform EVA. Any ride to the surface would have been suicidal folly, regardless of fuel quantity.
Still, no EVA suits is one thing, but having no operable ascent engine is really terrible because, if something goes wrong with the descent engine (which is the thing being exercised here) the crew has no backup whatsoever in case they have no option but landing (maybe a guidance issue that requires the LM to stop - in general emergency landings in places with no breathable atmosphere are a mistake).
Also, disobeying orders in space has happened before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylab_controversy
"[T]he crew were alleged to have stopped working. Gibson spent his day on Skylab's solar console, while Carr and Pogue spent their time in the wardroom looking out at the window."
i'd like to be positive about that too, but the whole stamp controversy made me realize that astronauts are people, too.
[0]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_15_postal_covers_incide...
The moon is just a moon though; I'm sure NASA wouldn't mind.
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[0] - https://www.space.com/39341-john-young-smuggled-corned-beef-...
[1] - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/mutiny-space-why-t...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Nowak#Charges_of_attempte...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_RH120 -- https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=3403148;orb=1;old=0;c...
As noted below, Scott Manley does a much better job covering it. YouTube is a much more efficient tool for connecting the knowledgeable and passionate with the interested learner. If anything the "imprimatur" granted by legacy media brand names gets in the way on topics where the public is generally badly informed, or where there is a lot of false knowledge floating around the culture.
The downside, is that knowledge has to compete with falsehood, so the complete elimination of falsehood is problematic, and it may take some time for the real knowledge to rise. I think it's better overall, more democratic and pro-freedom, if people participate by making their own choices to find the truth.
[edit: I see the TechCrunch brigade is out in force]
What's really funny -- and why I posted the link -- is that TFA doesn't actually point to the Sky News article. The Sky News link in this sentence ...
> The effort to discover its location began in 2011, undertaken by a group of amateur U.K. astronomers led by Nick Howes — the same who now claim they’re “98 percent convinced” they’ve discovered where it ended up, according to Sky News.
... actually points to https://www.newsweek.com/nasa-snoopy-lunar-module-space-1443... . Some editor wasn't paying attention, I guess. If they still have editors, anyway.
I mean, why would they switch from a primary source to a secondary source? I wonder if there's some sort of relationship between TechCrunch and Newsweek.
https://twitter.com/NickAstronomer/status/113779137705039462...
I often think of NASA as exceptionally serious people, but it never seems to stop them from adding a bit of humor and fun to their work.
My dad was a bit superstitious, all his combat rides were named "Round Trip Ticket". It worked :-)
The painted bombs above it represent the number of combat missions.
My father was the navigator, which was up front. His gun pointed out the side, which made for rather difficult deflection shots. He said the favored attack by the Luftwaffe was head on, which made deflection shots as they passed that much harder. The nose of the B-17 is a plexiglass hemisphere, and he could see the Me-109's firing straight at them, and wondered how they could miss. Nowhere to go, nowhere to hide, no armor.
My favourite names are Gumdrop and Spider from Apollo 9.
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/heo/sfa/aac/silver-snoopy-...
It’s pretty cute.
On the other hand, proposing that it merits retrieval is staggeringly vain- only the tiniest fraction of human enterprise has ever operated outside our planetary system (the Earth and our moon). Consider the mind-blowing opportunity cost of any mission sent to 'retrieve Snoopy', and take a moment to think of just some of the incredible projects one could do instead.
For an opposite point of view, think of all the technological advances that would be necessary for a safe "retrieve Snoopy" mission. Even if the mission itself is pointless, all the developments leading to it could be useful. That is, what matters might be the journey, not the destination.
A truly transcendent category of goal, even if a large part of the underlying motive was pretty obviously demonstrating American superiority over the Communist 'other'.
I don't really put retrieving the 'Snoopy' module in this same category.
EDIT: for anyone interested in the history of the Apollo 10 mission, its commander (and only crew-member remaining living) Thomas Stafford also went to Moscow to serve as a pallbearer in the state funeral given to the Soyuz 11 crew after the tragedy, the only human beings known to have died in space.
If we're going to colonize the solar system, we have to learn how to build hardware to last in that environment.
That technology could come in handy, for example, when we need to rescue people who are stuck in malfunctioning capsules. Or for mining asteroids and sending the resulting bulk material elsewhere in space. Or maybe for retrieving EOL satellites that are about to crash into one another and spread debris all over the place.
In America, doggy retrieves stick. In Soviet Russia, big firey stick retrieves doggy. :)
Hubble was fixed so it can perform its mission: it was uniquely qualified to send high resolution images of the universe, which proved invaluable to our understanding of space.
If testing tech is your aim then Snoopy is just as good as anything else. In the end it may be more valuable left in space for future space archaeologists.
There are probably dozens of more suitable pieces of "space memorabilia" that could be used for such tests. And if there isn't you can easily put there a realistic mock-up of whatever you want to rescue. Look at Musk's flying Tesla for example. There's nothing that makes Snoopy uniquely qualified for it.
But there's only one Hubble. The single greatest tool for space exploration we ever had at our disposal. And one that had already cost $5bn by the time it needed the fix.
The 2 cases don't feel to similar at all, short of them being both in space.
Getting it out if Earth orbit and back to Earth would be much harder. But who knows, maybe by then something like starship would be operational.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-48232627
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3csz4dj
Apple podcast url: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/13-minutes-to-the-moon...
RSS feed: https://podcasts.files.bbci.co.uk/w13xttx2.rss
Program page (with link to RSS etc.): https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w13xttx2/episodes/downloads
https://www.iflscience.com/space/apollo-10-lunar-module-snoo...
Although I wouldn't expect this to be a problem on the lunar module.
Okay, nice try there! Everyone on HN should know the Canadarm can't achieve the approx 29 km/s needed to cancel orbital velocity around the sun in the vicinity of Earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHvR1fRTW8g
'doh, you got a reaction out of me anyhow!
Might be pretty serious indeed!