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FB notion of privacy is wrong. Privacy is not about what i publicly share.

My right to privacy is about all the info they secretly collect, keep and sell to make a profit. My right to privacy implies that they do not keep a shadow profile on me and my relatives who are not on Facebook. My right to privacy implies that they dont read through me phone messages at will. My right to privacy gives me the freedom to avoid being spoon fed by the highest bidders such as Trump, farage et al

FB knows this and they consciously divert the attention towards what we publicly share. Evil.

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> My right to privacy is about all the info they secretly collect,

I'm not sure where you get this from, because I've never heard any legal doctrine to cover it.

> My right to privacy implies that they do not keep a shadow profile on me

Every user has a data model, which you can call whatever you like. This is not unique to FB.

> My right to privacy implies that they dont read through me phone messages at will

I'm not sure how you imagine spam scanners don't read your email. Perhaps you need to rethink your concept of "your right to privacy" or whatever.

> My right to privacy gives me the freedom to avoid being spoon fed by the highest bidders such as Trump, farage et al

Dumping some weird political spin where you don't want to hear things you don't like, is unsurprising. This is not a Right in the US. Some other places in the world (Canada, Germany, etc), are trending this way. It's an interesting development that "words can cause harm" is a central tenet of some political movements.

Facebook can't read through your phone messages unless you give them permission to read through your phone messages.

If everybody I send messages to have decided to install the facebook app on their phones, then the decision is taken out of my hands. Facebook will receive and store messages that I wrote, even though Facebook and I do not have a consensual relationship.

Any time you communicate with someone you surrender to them the right to control what happens to that communication. This is a property of human communication that predates Facebook by millenia. If you tell secrets to someone you can’t stop them from spreading the secrets to other people. The onus is on you to vet the people you share confidential information with.

what the.... dude. lol. secrets you tell others in confidence get out if they divulge that information themselves and if that happens you may lose trust in that person.

they have no idea facebook is eavesdropping intently. it is so drastically different.

If neither facebook nor the other person is disclosing to me that facebook is listening, then in two-party consent states that certainly seems to be against the spirit of the law, if not the letter.

Even then, the responsibility wouldn't be on Facebook, but on the other person. Facebook can't contact you to inform you of anything before you send the message.

That's not the same as reading through your phone messages.

You have to assume that any message you send out is read by any number of parties. Any e-mail you send to a Gmail account, for instance, will be processed by Google for (among other things) advertising purposes. If you don't like that, you need to employ additional measures, such as PGP.

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