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That's good!

I'm routing for Mr. Elon Musk. There's plenty for everyone. It's not a zero sum game.

One good thing about Tesla is they always said their goal is to kickstart the ev transition, and Musk even specifically said it's okay if tesla loses out as long as society moves that way. So that's a noble thing. They actually have a goal. In the mean time they've made a fantastic vehicle that should improve the world.

Separately from that, by all apparent news Tesla is a gosh dang hard working place, and people can't take it forever.

I will believe that Tesla has society's interests in mind when they sell vehicles with standard J1772 connectors, and deploy CCS connectors at their supercharger sites.

Until then, they're just emulating Apple's vendor lock-in.

I own a Tesla it comes with an adapter. There exists adapters to go the other way, admittedly for 250$ but its a niche thing.

This does not get you into the supercharger network but I think that is part of the whole trying to sell cars thing they are doing.

They already do exactly this in Europe. Model 3 ships with CCS, and the super chargers have now 2 cables, one of them is CCS.

Can non-tesla cars use their superchargers (I thought payment was done through the car, so I wasn't sure how that would work)?

Only if the non-Tesla car manufacture accepts Tesla's offer to enable it, which means just making their cars capable by following Tesla's specs, and paying a fair share of supporting the supercharger network, proportional to usage. So far no manufacturer has accepted this offer.

Somehow dozens of other EV charging networks don't need to talk to the car manufacturers.

Can that supercharger myth finally die?

Superchargers are DC and match the car battery voltage.

Pretty much all other chargers are AC. Even if they were DC, they would need to match the battery voltage or you're going to get wierd things like "this charger can charge your car up to 70 percent, but no higher because the charger can't go to a high enough voltage"

The CCS chargers here are DC.

It's easy to make claims about them now, but the the CCS chargers were just a vaporware proposal back when the Supercharger network was started. I find the Supercharger connector to be pretty nice compared to the CCS connector fwiw, but whatever works for you is fine.

What myth would that be?

Tesla was required to do this in Europe in order to get their cars approved for sale in the EU...

Tesla has offered to work with any automakers who want their vehicles to work at the charging stations. No one has taken the offer, because they are too far behind to even consider it since the majority of them have no EVs to sell yet.

That's crazy. All these EV charging networks we have in EU apparently worked with all automakers.

that's because they passed a law that made everyone use the same standard. The us didn't.

No. Tesla's adapter standard is available to all other vendors, as are their patents, if they merely agree not to sue tesla over the standards. Tesla also includes the adapter for free for j1772. Technically tesla's adapter is far superior to the adapters that came later and before technically - one small adapter for ac and dc, they forced the j1772 adapter to be higher power (100/80 amps max), they built their cars with enough internal charging onboard ac adapters.

The rest of the industry, the us sae hated the threat of tesla and refused to adapt teslas. Then they have iterated over a set of horrible kludges often called the frankenplug.

I think you mean "rooting"

Hey man perhaps Elon's router has achieved sentience and is trying to communicate

Plenty of packets, enough to go around for everyone.

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