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> If Tesla can establish their cars as almost never needing service

Teslas have quite poor reliability so far:

- https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27725/tesla-fleet-company-stru...

- https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows...

I'm sure Tesla will improve with time but they're not going to out-Toyota Toyota any time soon.

It only took Kia 6 years to out-Toyota Toyota, that is to go from producing the worst mainstream cars in the us to the best in initial and 3 year quality metrics (and well above Toyota).

(2009 when they built first US production line to 2015).

Nope, Toyota's still number one:

https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/the-most-and-least-expe...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-13/toyotas-a...

Toyota has the most flexible production and the most reliable cars. Toyota isn't the biggest selling brand by accident.

I agree with both of you, cheekily. I genuinely can’t wait for Toyota to do a full BEV. I realize they say mainstream BEVs are a pipe dream still, but I think it’ll happen eventually.

Toyota announced their BEV plans a couple of months ago:

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/28419929.html

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