Bill Gates Resume (1974)
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I know internships can easily earn that but my understanding is they go to 4th year students.
In fact, many professors were adamant they didn't care about languages at all other than someone grading it can read it. Some classes never wanted to see your source code. Most classes didn't have code at all!
Those in good programs had classes that were focused on the actual subject matter (algorithms, OS, compilers, ML, etc.) with the language just being a tool, and in upper level classes, professors absolutely didn’t even care what language you used, as long as it got the job done (within reasonable limits, of course; no one likes grading BrainFuck code, even though some people attempted writing assignments in those as a joke).
Those in weaker programs, instead, had a “Java class”, “C class”, “javascript class”, etc.
CS isn't a vocational course.
According to the data for students doing internships in the United States, the average first year Computer Science (or more accurate, first year Faculty of Mathematics) student is making $30.57 USD an hour [0]. However, going to the States is typically a function of one's experience, and so this is more common in upper years.
If you take the average for work terms in Canada, the average first year (or more accurately, first year Faculty of Mathematics student) makes $18.84 CAD [1].
[0] https://uwaterloo.ca/co-operative-education/about-co-op/co-o...
[1] https://uwaterloo.ca/co-operative-education/about-co-op/co-o...
(This doesn't disqualify any of what you said; it's just worth pointing out for those who are unfamiliar with the program.)
The skills came from learning to program starting in the 5th grade.
So first year students don't make that kind of money but as a first year student you might have skills that were honed earlier which allows for that type of job.
I don't understand this nuance. Is it standard to be paid $75k? Sounds like a lot to me.
Someone in his ability range today will earn twice that (Gates was clearly at least a top 25% programmer in his day, more likely solidly top 10%), or more depending on location. That's before factoring in the age & experience issues, which can throw that all over the place and would be hard to adjust for today vs 45 years ago.
I honestly can’t imagine listing any of that today.
In the 70's, people speaking against race discrimination were viewed as center left but people decrying discrimination on these other grounds were considered far left. Even on otherwise "progressive" period TV shows, these positions would be satirized (eg the characters played by Beatrice Arthur and Rob Reiner were satires much of the time. The Mary Tyler Moore character was originally written as a divorcee)
And though legislation had recently curtailed ethnicity and religion from being _publicly_ discriminated, it was still seen as ok to discriminate for public facing positions: Connie Chung's position as news reader was considered definite proof of media liberal bias. Indeed, advocating equality for public facing positions or for persons with disabilities was viewed as completely unrealistic.
I've been going around telling how my wife is nine months pregnant, asking how the paternity benefits are.
If the company needs someone that can work 60+ hours a week, with less than market pay, but a promise of equity (or if I were starting something risky with friends) , if I were younger, wanted to build my resume and didn’t have grown folks bills, that would be an opportunity I would jump on. On the other hand, if I really didn’t need the money and wanted to work on something interesting, I might do it. Does that necessarily mean the “company isn’t worth working for” or it’s not the the right company for me?
If I cared about paid paternity leave and the company couldn’t offer it, that also doesn’t mean it’s a bad company - just not the company for me.
On personal note, I’m at a point in my career where I’m being heavily recruited for consultant type jobs that require a lot of travel. I have a son graduating this year. I had to turn those types of jobs down even though they pay more than I make now. Is the job necessarily bad because they require travel?
I’ve also worked extra hours voluntarily to work on new to me technology to build my resume.
As an anecdote, last year we hired a woman who outright told us she would like to start working next month, but then would immediately need to take 4-6 months off for a paid parental leave, as she was due somewhat soon (i forgot whether we provide 4 or 6 months; i think it is 6, but i dont remember 100%).
She was a good candidate, so of course we hired her, she worked for about a month, and then went away for the parental leave. Then she got back to work after her leave, and everything went on as normal.
We also had candidates before who went on parental leave on their first day of work, so they essentially had paid months off before they even started working.
For the record, it wasn’t some obscure small family-run business, it was at one of the big N companies.
He was so awesome to have on the team, at the cost of sometimes having to watch him crawl toward a few lines of code. Not a hard choice in my opinion.
Of course I've seen the whole spectrum. Useless old people. Useless young people. It's best to simply be a meritocracy.
Knowing the averages will actually make you worse at assessment.
Obviously apart from some jobs requiring PV (TS) clearance.
There are listings on Craigslist that once you express interest in, they request photos of you. I always just assume these are fucked up or scams.
Physical fitness for the role.
Also .. look at how simple a resume is. Raw ascii text, few paragraphs .. done.
#dubugging
It was typed on a manual typewriter - you can tell by the weight of the punctuation.
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Hard Drive (1993), by James Wallace
Gates (1992), by Stephen Manes
Idea Man (2011), by Paul Allen
Idea Man is available for $5 on the Kindle right now and is an excellent read, however Gates is only a secondary major character for 1/3 of the book. It does cover the early days though. And Gates is available on the Kindle as well.
PS - (Please don’t downvote me _/\_)
Also it wasn’t really a “printout” since you saw each letter as you typed it.
Something that can buffer and edit 2 lines (~160 byte, and not necessarily 8-bit ones either) does not necessarily want to add hundreds of kilobytes of dictionary and the code to look things up in it.
That is some HR depatments, are so bad at their job, that they will literally lose your company the chance to get a Bill-gates-caliber dev.
I mean obviously if he gets to the technical interview, an engineer can see that he is competent. But they question is would such a resume get past HR?
(I'm asking because I want to understand, I'm not implying you're wrong)
> newsflash those were all hot tech in 1974 and besides any year in the last 100 (including 2019) a Harvard student gets priority rather than binned.
I'm european, so I don't really see that many harvard grads. But everythign being equal, why would I give a harvard grad priority over someone from L'X, ETH, mines, oxford, MIT..
- not mentioning highschool graduation year (But I suppose this could be hidden in the bottom)
Both these things, I've seen and heard HR employess toss CVs over in real life as well as from people talking online.
But I guess, I migh've been too biased in what I'm saying. since I'm european so there a different standards for resumes.
I've had an argument this week with the head of HR, because an employee threw the cv of a work student which had a Lüke ( a hole) in his resume. I guess I was overprojecting, which made my message too overexagerated. sorry.
Care to explain why do you think so?