Comment by watwut | Hacker News Reader

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I don't think this describes interactions of most people. Most people interactions are completely ignored.

Also, the story relies on somebody intentionally antagonizing people for reaction, but when antagonized people are hostile back the person doubles up because buddies on irc are more friendly. No shit, he is not purposefully antagonizing them. And hostilities or not, person spreads anti-semitic conspiracies making other people believe in anti-semitic conspiracies. But like, if Jews push back, it is their own fault, they should be more passive and let it be.

What you described by the begging is not someone clueless joking. It is literally someone cool with antagonizing Jews in the first place, but not antagonizing irc boys. So like, he gets to socialize with who he is not antagonizing.

I never claimed that this describes the interactions of most, or even many people. I never claimed that Jewish people should "be more passive and let it be". And "clueless joking" are your words, not mine.

I am not endorsing the behaviors of anyone involved, simply doing my best to answer a very specific question.

Yes, these are mine expressions for what I seen in that story. Clueless joking is how the initial situation comes across in that story to me. Someone who just makes a joke but that is not because of antisemitism, but to troll.

The "should be more passive" is how I would sum up the reaction of main character to the part where there is large pushback from initial targets. Each pushback legitimize escalations.

Specific question:

> You start by joking that you are a jew-hating nazi and then after a while you become an actual jew-hating nazi.

My point here is that the answer to that is more complex. The hardcore push-back to initial joke does not happen, but there is a lot of socialization involving Jew jokes or whatever with no push-back at all - or where push back against it makes you pussy. Initial targets of joking were not random in the first place either.

There also is process by which that person becomes extremist with zero to no interaction from target of hate.

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