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> The "alt-right" is mostly a boogieman for talking heads.

No, it's not. The alt-right uses anonymous web boards like this one (but not HN to my knowledge) to coordinate and celebrate mass shootings that are directly admitted to be race-focused and white-supremacist-led. (Edit: The alt-right does use HN to spread hate and their "ideology", but I have not seen direct specific calls to violence here)

> Groups labeled "white-supremacist" rarely even contain a large number of white people.

I don't see how this is relevant at all. Being white has nothing to do with being a white supremacist. There are lots of non-white white-supremacists in the world. You're using logical fallacies like whataboutism and appeals to false authority instead of debating anything of substance.

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> No, it's not. The alt-right used anonymous web boards like this one (but not HN to my knowledge) to coordinate and celebrate mass shootings that are directly admitted to be race-focused and white-supremacist-led.

This happens equally on both ends of the political spectrum, and I would not entwine "coordinate" and "celebrate" so closely. If you have any real exposure to these communities you recognize any "celebration" as a performative stunt by losers (for lack of a better term) who have few other outlets for asserting self-worth. I've never witnessed a crime being publicly coordinated online.

> Being white has nothing to do with being a white supremacist. There are lots of non-white white-supremacists in the world.

Do you take it all these people are uncommonly virtuous martyrs? Authentic mental handicaps totally lacking self-awareness and logical consistency? I'm genuinely curious what you think the story is here, because I've always found this observation interesting.

> This happens on both ends of the political spectrum

No, it doesn't. The left is not a racist, hateful group and they do not coordinate and perform mass shootings. This particular problem is not shared equally by both sides.

A self-proclaimed leftist killed 10 people and injured 27 more in an incident less than a week ago.

You fail to recognize that the "left" is as wide and disconnected as the "right", and they both host dangerous and despicable morons.

The left is not a racist, hateful group

You should look into the beatings of the Marines going to a dance by members of Antifa. The Antifa assailants said vile, racist things to their non-white victim.

they do not coordinate and perform mass shootings. This particular problem is not shared equally by both sides.

There are calls for arming on the Far Left, and documented cases of their acquiring and training with weapons, while planning for conflict. The Dayton shooter thought of himself as Antifa.

I believe I asked you a while ago to provide citations for your claims. Can you provide me some citations? Since you seem to consistently make claims that the left is as violent if not more so than the right and I'd love to see some data.

I hereby grant stcredzero permission to cite me and affirm the claims made in his above post are factually accurate.

With collaboration like that, we should be able to start our own news media company!

I believe I asked you a while ago to provide citations for your claims.

As far as Antifa assault involving ethnic intimidation goes: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/alleged-antifa-membe...

It's hard to know the context. The last time I remember I was asked for a citation, I found the Washington Post article I was going to refer to was paywalled. It's now available to me again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-the-united-states...

Most likely the specific observation you're referencing was that in the last 2 years of the chart (2016, 2017), if you go down to the bar charts for left wing and right wing violence, you'll see that there are 11 incidents of right wing violence for that period and 17 incidents for left wing violence.

More generally, in terms of incidents like vandalism, threats, and assault, there are lists going into several 100's of incidents for the past several years for the far left. If you want to find them and analyze them, that sounds worthwhile. There were tons and tons of such incidents on YouTube, seemingly endless. However YouTube seems to engage in suppression of videos that go against certain political agendas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUbsnXk0srU

> No, it's not. The alt-right uses anonymous web boards like this one (but not HN to my knowledge) to coordinate and celebrate mass shootings that are directly admitted to be race-focused and white-supremacist-led. (Edit: The alt-right does use HN to spread hate and their "ideology", but I have not seen direct specific calls to violence here)

I'm not sure they are calling themselves alt-right or match that description. They are also not coordinating attacks but posting their manifestos and celebrating is correct.

I could of course be wrong and I know that the alt-right movement has been mired with white supremacists and others from the start but I did like the description when it at least on surface was not about that but a different take on the dominant version of the right-wing in the US; similar to the tea party movements or difference between socialism and democratic socialism.

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