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Nonsense from a user with a throwaway.

>Courtney Dauwalter dominates men in Ultra races

She will sometimes beat them, if that's what you mean.

>you can call them niche races if it helps your ego, but lets call those races what they really are...the longest and most grueling races, stacked with elite and professional runners.

Even the most competitive ultra is a niche race. If the award money for ultras increased 10x overnight then east africans would be dominating in 5 years (the most competitive ultra in the world, UTMB, has a reward of €35,000).

And competition wise, races in america are a far cry from european ultras which will often have thousands of runners. Not to mention thousands of meters of elevation.

The fact that this woman's many extraordinary achievements are buried under titles like "Women are better then men in ultras" is disgusting to me.

EDIT: Oops east, not west africans.

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>She will sometimes beat them, if that's what you mean.

Yes, by as much as 10 hours in the MOAB 240, she set the record in a 100K race, she won another 100 miler by 75 minutes. She set another record in a 24 hour run.

>Not to mention thousands of meters of elevation.

Like the MOAB 240 in Utah she won by 10 hours with 29,467 feet of elevation?

>The fact that this woman's many extraordinary achievements are buried under titles like "Women are better then men in ultras" is disgusting to me.

Where did you get those quotes? Maybe you should consider you are "disgusted" by the woman's accomplishments and frame them as "She will sometimes beat them," without being able to acknowledge the degree of her victories over 2nd place male runners. Does she win every race she enters? No, of course not, but when she wins, she sets records and we are not talking seconds or minutes.

Running 240 miles thru a desert and winning against all competition is very impressive, but how on earth do you spin that to a generalization like "she dominates men in ultra races" is totally beyond me.

>Does she win every race she enters? No, of course not, but when she wins, she sets records and we are not talking seconds or minutes.

You literally made my point.

So to say she dominates, mean she must win every race she enters? I don't think so, otherwise you just literally made my point, men don't dominate women (i.e. they don't win every race).

Yes, she dominates...when the 2nd place male athlete isn't even close that is domination. 10 hour victory from her 1st place to 2nd place, 75 minutes from 1st place to 2nd place...that is domination in running.

This is what domination looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%ADlian_Jornet_Burgada#Sel...

She is THAT, for women. She is not that for men. Case closed, or at least it would be with anyone who actually runs ultras, or runs at all.

If you can't understand that breaking a record by 10 hours means that the previous record was shit, then I don't how to help you understand that.

In any case I don't like discussions with people who hide behind throwaways. Because I have a feeling you're just trolling me.

Push your weirdo agenda as hard as you like, I don't care. People like you are ruining this forum.

No one would argue that isn't consistent success at the highest levels of running.

>If you can't understand that breaking a record by 10 hours means that the previous record was shit, then I don't how to help you understand that.

I get it you don't like women, and their success threatens you and your identity. What were you saying about weirdo agenda? You can't seem to acknowledge the few hundred men who have been unable to break her record (or come anywhere close for that matter).

>Case closed, or at least it would be with anyone who actually runs ultras, or runs at all.

I look forward to watching you compete against her in a future Ultra and showing us all how she is shit and her records are shit. In fact, as your accusing me of using a throwaway, tell us all your real name and these Ultra's you have competed in and lets see if we can find a single race where a women didn't beat you.

Would you please follow the site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) when posting here? You've been breaking them with bits like these:

> I get it you don't like women, and their success threatens you and your identity

> You really seem obsessed with penises

> you can call them niche races if it helps your ego

We ban accounts that make a habit of posting in the flamewar style, so please edit such swipes out of your comments here, even if another commenter is wrong or annoying. They degrade discussion badly—it's notable how much worse this comment is than where things started out—and I'm sure you can make your substantive points without them.

Personal attacks, like you did here and upthread, will get you banned on HN, regardless of how wrong or annoying another commenter is. Please edit such swipes out of your comments here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> You literally made my point.

In that case it's possible to rest in agreement and there's no need to keep fighting a flamewar. Please don't do the latter on HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Minor quibble but I think you mean East Africans, not West Africans.

Also, most of the East Africans are actually from the same tribe/town in Kenya, Kalenjin.

But your overall point, agreed. The only reason these races are not dominated by African runners is because of the low prize money involved.

E.g. if Eliud Kipchoge ran a 2:01 for the first 42K he could have walked the remaining 8K and still beaten the winner of this race by an hour.

Nothing against her or the other ultra pros, but the facts are as you describe.

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