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Why no Safari?

Proximity, mostly. I'm a Windows user. That said, I am planning on setting up a proxy connection to test Safari on my MacBook.

Isn't there a Safari for Windows? I remember ending up with it after installing iTunes a few years back.

Discontinued after May 9, 2012.

It's no longer supported, and the last released version is so old it's likely unsafe.

Here's the review of Safari: https://twitter.com/jonathansampson/status/11664627007943884...

Thank you!

here's plain (in a good way:) webkit: https://surf.suckless.org

First launch: 0 bytes.

The note at the top of surf's page about the lack of tabs is missing some context, surf is composable, so if you want tabs, it comes with a script to use tabbed. Each window (or tab) runs in it's own process (skipping some details). It's also easy to enable/disable JS (per process) out of the box with it's keybindings.

Manpage: http://dpaste.com/1R3Q242.txt

I tried to use suckless software at some point but stopped in the end. In theory the idea is good, but sadly the software is not up to par. For a lightweight WebKit browser with minimal UI and vim mode included I’d recommend QuteBrowser https://qutebrowser.org/

Qute's realy nice. I should try it again just for the py-ness. Using Gentoo's -9999 ebuilds for dmenu and surf, both are solid and maintained.

Is there any way to easy run webkit on Windows?

I wouldn't say easy, but definitely possible to run the official nightly build.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20708905

I'm guessing because it's damned hard to run.

You have to have Apple hardware to run Safari.

Or a virtual machine

That, too, is hard without Apple hardware. KVM is probably the only virtual machine software that runs macOS with minimal fuss and patching outside of Apple hardware and it still requires a fair bit of work (though scripts exist to automate all of it.)

Many guides to creating Hackintosh setups hinge on having at least one existing Mac. The only saving grace for KVM is that people have developed tools to download macOS directly from the Mac App Store CDN and deal with the DMG image.

I run VMWare for cross-platform development and I can tell you I have no problems running Apple OS'es since Mountain Lion 10 years. I have around 20 VM's with different MacOS'es that I use/used for testing/development. No Apple hardware at all, only my good old custom PC that houses all of them

Ah, I also have used VMware Workstation to run macOS, although my Workstation 15 license has mostly collected dust thanks to KVM.

Since you’ve been doing this for a while, perhaps you’ve simply forgotten that running macOS natively on VMware outside macOS actually requires patching? Granted, there is a tool[1] for this that is pretty popular and easy to use. But it’s still required when running without hacks.

Finally, where are you getting your installation media? Apple only allows downloads of macOS installation media via the Mac App Store.

I suspect you may possibly be referring to using pre-configured Hackintosh VMs that use EFI emulation and FakeSMC instead of running natively. Frankly, I just don’t trust OS images from random sketchy third parties.

[1]: https://github.com/DrDonk/unlocker

Actually I got an official Mountain Lion image from Apple way back 10 years ago, and ever since a new MacOS was out, I just copied my latest VM and run that one as a complete update. Couple hours later I was having their latest OS in new VM. So all my VM's have official Apple software, no 3rd party included. And yes, you are right, every time a new update for apps I use appear on store, I get hit with the message to update what I have. I simply just cancel and go on with my work. XCode is the most updated, I get hit with messages for it at least several times per week.

Oh, I see. Unfortunately I think it’s not as easy to bootstrap anymore. Having an existing Hackintosh VM obviously is a useful starting point, but getting one today is probably not super easy. So I can sympathize with folks who are having trouble.

https://github.com/foxlet/macOS-Simple-KVM

Thanks, these are the scripts I was thinking of. They’re really great.

AFAIK, MacOS licensing requires running on Apple hardware.

Notice that you'll find cloud providers offering Linux and Windows, but almost never MacOS virtual machines.

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