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Signal jamming. Transmission detection vans to find base c&c stations. Device confiscation and outlawing.

Laser mesh... There is an ongoing fight between the UK radio regulator and illegal radio stations. The regulator has detector vans, so it's a similar situation to what you describe.

They can find transmittors, but their objective is to find the studio, which needs a live link to the transmitter.

As I understand it, the pirates break out onto the roof of tall buildings, especially public housing towers, and place transmitters. These will be found, so they gotta have a way of linking them back to home.

Sure, they could use mobile data (has its own opsec problems), or hacked residential wifi and a VPN (add real prisong itme of a hacking charge to the sheet when you get court).

Apparently what they often do is use a cantena link - a focussed beam of wifi to some distant place, which can be very difficult to pinpoint accurately. I also saw a doc where they used lasers.

These days though, I think a lot of them just stream on the internet.

Do you have urls for any sources? sounds like an interesting read.

Other than the pirate stations around London, they're not quite as proliferate as they once were with the advent of the internet. They have a colourful history in the UK however, with some stations broadcasting from international waters in the 60's just off the UK to circumvent the monopoly the BBC and record companies had on music. I highly recommend watching 'The Boat That Rocked' for a good comedy based on it.

Below are some interesting reads on the culture:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_radio_in_the_United_Kin...

https://www.transdiffusion.org/2008/08/01/on_the_run_the

http://www.thepiratearchive.net/

https://web.archive.org/web/20090324075718/http://www.freewe...

In the US it was released as "Pirate radio". A great movie under either title but my american friends didnt get the dunkirk reference in the final act.

Thank you!

Just wondering why can't Tor & the internet be used to transmit the source signal? Seems like a perfect candidate - the FM transmitter gets the source signal off a Tor Hidden Service - if it's seized there's no way to locate where the hidden service is actually hosted.

What I'm imagining is a true mesh network where there is no "home", only distributed data. You take down one transmitter, another one takes up the slack. It seems prudent in this case to learn know more about tracing, and thereby avoiding tracing, the source of a Wifi transmitter.

This is sort of the idea behind Piped Piper in Silicon Valley.. Everybody has an app that shares the data with everyone. My guess is that it is striped across the devices.

Has it’s own problems, similar to bitcoin. If you create a bunch of nodes that feed into a warehouse you might end up owning a majority of the data, and have de facto control of the network.

Plus the overuse of device radios, storage etc. 802.11s does great at keeping power low while acting as a pass through, but storing data on the device requires a lot of availability for the device, and duplication has to be done to make sure you can access your stripes. Good for single use messages, bad for anything large.

There may be a fix to that problem.. need to think about it.

> These days though, I think a lot of them just stream on the internet.

which is generally legal.

but then we are back to the original problem, the internet being down...

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